Originally Posted by TerminalIntelligence
So now every pornstar just does it for money? Is that a fact or assumption? You seem uncertain, so we'll take it as an assumption.
I'm not picking example apart to be a troll. I like how I go into further explanation in these threads adding to what others say with a deeper meaning and its considered "trolling". You used vegitables as an example, not me. I'm using the same example you are but clearly your not liking your own example further explained.
But what if I love animals so much I want to marry them? How do you know they don't love me too? You don't. Neither do I, because it's an animal. How do you know people are born bi? Gay? Straight? You don't. Your assuming since YOU can't change your orientation, that people have to be born gay. Am I wrong? So since YOU can't change neither can others is what I'm getting from all of this.
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As I've already said, animals are not capable of making that kind of choice, neither are children or severely mentally handicapped people. If you "love" your dog so much you have to fuck it, you have a mental problem. It may be hardwired into your brain, I can't say. I'm not a psychologist. I do know that asking a person who is biologically driven one way for whatever reason to stop being that way is a moot point unless they deeply want to change that.
For example, alcoholism. The number one treatment for that disease is to remove yourself from all forms of alcohol. Mouthwashes, rubbing alcohol, etc. Again, I cannot speak for all alcoholics, but the ones I know who are recovering from alcoholism will not touch a single drink, because one becomes two, two becomes four, four becomes three empty bottles and a lot of other issues. My own ex wife threw away our marriage and her rights to our children (not to mention the life of our son) due to alcoholism. It is not a "learned" trait, it is a disease deep in the core of her person. Anytime she takes a drink, she goes on a bender and doesn't come up till someone intervenes.
To bring that back to sexuality... Mineral Grey brought up identical twins that one is gay, one is straight. Raised the same way, same genetics, but yet, two completely different people. Different personalities, different tastes, different. So, that pretty much proves my point in my opinion. It's not a genetic thing, it's something else that isn't tangible. It isn't "fixable" it's just how you are.
Those people who are sexually attracted to kids, or dogs, or horses, whatever... It isn't "fixable". Again, my opinion, but someone who pursues kids or animals is fundamentally broken not because they have different tastes, but because their tastes make them pursue those that cannot choose for themselves if they wish to participate. That is fundamentally wrong. To me, and this is again just my opinion, homosexuality and bisexuality aren't fundamentally wrong so long as the partner is willing and aware of their choice to participate. If a gay man tries to have sex with a non gay man, that's rape just the same as if a straight man tries to have sex with an unwilling straight woman.
For what it's worth, I'm all for expanding our discussion. I asked if you were trolling because I'm trying to find another "hardwired" difference, in my case dislike of peas, that is something I can't fundamentally change in myself. Not trying to distract, but to expand the understanding.
Again I will ask you... Did you have to choose to be straight? I'm not asking about wondering why gay people are gay, because that's irrelevant and doesn't mean you're questioning your own sexuality. Questioning your own sexuality is saying, "Do I find men sexuallyattractive?" and not being sure. I never had to ask myself that. I personally find the the thought of two men together sexually as gross, but I'm sure that there's gay people who think of men and women together as gross. So that's a moot point. I'm just saying, I was never attracted to men. I never had any curiosity as to being sexual with a man because I don't get turned on by them. Therefore, I'm simply not gay. My assumption, being that I'm not an expert, is that if I were to ask gay people about their sexuality, that they would have a similar answer.
And as far as the porn stars, no I don't know that they aren't sexual addicts. However, I can surmise from what I do know that most of them are just doing it for the money. I'm sure there are addicts, just has to be, but to think that they all are is shortsighted. If they were all addicts, they would be fucking everyone, everywhere, all the time because that's what addicts do.