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post #2121 of 2510 Old December 25th, 2017, 12:30 PM
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i must play too many puzzle games because when i look at pictures of the border wall prototypes i start thinking of ways to get over them

or maybe i have a little bit of mexican somewhere in my family tree



that first one is easy peasy

> toss over a rope with a hook on the end that will grab the bottom of the wall
> anchor your side in the ground
> climb rope to top of wall
> tie another rope to that one
> climb down other side
> apply for social security benefits
Some of these were definitely just constructed to just meet a quota for having multiple designs, even though they have features that serve no purpose. What the fuck is that first one? So the Mexicans can see what they're missing out on? Why not just run the slats all the way to the top?

That thing probably has 80% of its mass on the top 50% of the structure. Terrible engineering! SAD! It was obviously an attempt of a "construction firm" to get their name on the docket and get some advertisement. "I got an idea. What if we put a fuckin' wall on top of a fuckin' picket fence?!" - Genius at this construction firm most likely.

If some jackass built a fence like that in my backyard, they'd be fired immediately. "YA' FIYRED!" - Donald Trump
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The wall WILL be built. They are testing each prototype. They have anti tunnel features. Im sure a wall could be designed that nobody could defeat and end up alive, but the liberals would be up in arms.
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The wall WILL be built. They are testing each prototype. They have anti tunnel features. Im sure a wall could be designed that nobody could defeat and end up alive, but the liberals would be up in arms.
I can just see it in my head man so you are spot on bc I have seen the movie. So it will be something like The Great Wall.






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Im sure a wall could be designed that nobody could defeat and end up alive
That sure sounds fiscally conservative.

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The wall WILL be built. I’m sure a wall could be designed that nobody could defeat and end up alive, but the liberals would be up in arms.
Maybe he is consulting with Herman Cain and they are developing a super wall that will have everyone surprised when it is all said and done.



Moat, gators and all of that stuff yeah you’re spot on who could defeat that and end up alive besides Alan Qaurtermaine or Crocodile Dundee.

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We shall see......we shall see. I personally don’t care about how fiscally conservative the defense of our border is. A lot of the Fentanyl and other synthetic drugs killing people daily(and I see this first hand) is coming from China through the weak Mexican border.

The wall won’t stop it all but if constucted with purpose and monitored properly will serve as a great deterrent. If a few smugglers get shot in the process that would be an added bonus. One thing for certain is we will see the wall constructed.
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We shall see......we shall see. I personally dont care about how fiscally conservative the defense of our border is. A lot of the Fentanyl and other synthetic drugs killing people daily(and I see this first hand) is coming from China through the weak Mexican border.

The wall wont stop it all but if constucted with purpose and monitored properly will serve as a great deterrent. If a few smugglers get shot in the process that would be an added bonus. One thing for certain is we will see the wall constructed.
If there's a market for it, no border wall is going to get in the way of it making it here. Even if the wall represented an impenetrable barrier that could shoot lasers and kill anyone that got within 50 feet, you'd get fentanyl smuggled in through the coasts or Canada or flown in, or even distributed by the CIA within the borders in order to secure the cooperation of Chinese cartels for politically expedient goals.

If you want to actually solve a drug problem, you need to confront the realities of the users. Lift them from institutional/generational poverty and provide them with an avenue for life that doesn't make them want to drown their miseries in opiates. But that would require us to actually care about our fellow human neighbors like we care about ourselver. That's just bad praxis in capitalism.
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The opioid crisis goes way beyond your belief that capitalism is the problem and socialism is the answer. Middle class people with good jobs have become addicts. They may have slid into poverty after the addiction but that was not their condition before. Most of the articles I have read point to doctors to prescribing pain relievers. When the doctors cut off their prescriptions (or if the prescriptions become too costly) the addicts turn to a cheaper alternative found on the street.

And, it is a crisis here in Indiana as well as other places and the most communal culture I know (the Amish) are even affected (We have a large Amish population around here.)
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The opioid crisis goes way beyond your belief that capitalism is the problem and socialism is the answer... Most of the articles I have read point to doctors to prescribing pain relievers.

The companies involved — from drug distributors and retail outlets like McKesson and Walgreens to manufacturers like Johnson & Johnson — are making billions in revenue off the opioid crisis! It's all about chasing that profit. They’ve even spent hundreds of millions lobbying Congress to insure that crisis only deepens, and their profits increase. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-dea-...-and-congress/)

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Sorry but it was Obama's policies in ACA that increased prescribed pain killers. ACA requires patients to fill out a survey which affects Medicare payments. An important question on the survey is about pain management. While DHS disputes the link between the surveys and opioid uses, doctors feel they are being pressured to give pain killers.
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To many physicians and lawmakers struggling to contain the nation’s opioid crisis, tying a patient’s feelings about pain management to a hospital’s bottom line is deeply ****misguided––if not downright dangerous. “The government is telling us we need to make sure a patient’s pain is under control,” says Dr. Nick Sawyer, a health-****policy fellow at the UC Davis department of emergency medicine. “It’s hard to make them happy without a narcotic. This policy is leading to ongoing opioid abuse.”
Obamacare Opioid Prescriptions Pain Management Surveys | Time

While that may have contributed to the crisis the opioid crisis was in the making before ACA was passed. I found this map showing CDC's statistical estimates (not actual deaths) of how the drug overdose epidemic spread. The estimated growth is almost unbelievable. I haven't read a article concerning this but some of the bikers I know have told me herion is as low as $4 per dose. I would guess the Great Recession, availability and cost are the primary drivers.
Watch How the Drug Overdose Epidemic Spread in****America | TIME Labs

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That Time Labs article is good.

"I would guess the Great Recession, availability and cost are the primary drivers."

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I suppose the most eye opening revelation of the opioid crisis was the knowledge that the Amish have been affected. I cannot imagine a more insulated group from our society. They are a very nice people. They own a variety of shops around here. The cabinet maker, cobbler, and saddler have all done absolutely great work for me.

They moved into my area when I was overseas. They had problems with our educational system until they built their own schools. Indiana law says they have to go to school until the age of 16. The other problem was a reflective triangle on their buggies. They didn't want it but I will tell you I would have run over a couple of buggies without it.

They are about as isolated as a community can be while still reliant on some things, such as medicine and hospitals. They are a very tight knit community. If the opioid crises has affected them then it has affected everyone.

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Pain is the hardest concept. It is different for everyone and everyone deals with it differently. Doctors ask using a 1 to 10 scale but how many of us have really experienced a 10 level pain. I suppose the closest I came is when I slipped on ice and broke my ankle. I coundn't move for a couple of minutes then I crawled back up the steps of the barracks to get help. That was worse then when I broke my arm in two places, tore out my knee requiring surgery, and damn near broke my back (just twisted not broke).

A few years ago I had a heart attack. The ambulance driver told me he could give me something for the pain but if might complicate things. I told him no. I don't want complications and I could take it. On my scale it was about an 8.

I used to ride a lot of horses. I've broken a few and one put me into the ground hard every single time. We put a nose rope on her to cut off her wind and I rode her to the ground. I was in college and could only ride on weekends. She bucked just as hard the next weekend. I had to admit defeat and hired someone to break her (ultimate shame). I was at Eitlelljorge Museum in Indy a couple of years ago looking at the Russel statues. As I walked through the exibit of cowboys being busted up by horses, I would say I've been there, and there, and there. And, I'm not a rodeo cowboy. My little brother rodeoed for a while. But as the older brother I started riding down the horses on our farm at an early age.

Medical doctors say that rodeo cowboys are the ones most able to compete in pain. More than football players. I doubt that it is more than gymnasts. My daughter competed often in complete pain. (I had absolutely no respect for the sport before she got involved and absolute respect for it afterwards.)

I'm not saying this for any other purpose than to say pain is relative. A good friend of mine, a cowboy who broke horses for a living and has been busted up many, many times was in a motorcycle accident a couple of years ago. Some junk head in a van just ran over him and his girlfriend. He suffered two broken arms, three broken ribs and a broken leg. She had multiple breaks and a head injury. He made it to her and held her until help arrived. Maybe I should add that he was 68 at the time and she was 67. She died twice on the way to the hospital but they revived her and saved her.

I went to visit him in recovery (they tend to put us old folks in a nursing home). We had known each other a long time and he admitted to me that in all the times he had been broken up he had never felt pain like that. His left arm had been broken off at the socket. He said he actually ask them to cut it off.

No one actually knows the pain someone else is in. But the entire idea of a pain free life is completely ridiculous.
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i could go for some morphine right now, my lips are chapped as hell
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Opiates don’t know any social boundaries. People are dropping daily, from the trailer parks to the lake houses. I just did a Trickflow Top End with my buddy on his LX. One of my other childhood friend’s brothers helped. I had arrested him in the past but he was doing well. Good hard working kid. He dropped dead from an OD a few weeks after we finished. I see people drop all the time, it’s not pretty.
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I actually do not know the solution. Addicts are killing themselves for a cheap high.

But people are making tremendous profit off of selling the drugs. That is the capitalism I hate.

What is the solution? Many of you say we cannot stop the drugs at the border so we should just let them in. But then the same damn people bemoan the addiction and deaths.

Do we at least try to stop the influx of drugs or do me just give up.

I'm OK with just giving up. Maybe we should all give up. Let the addicts die. They are a useless part of society and besides if they die then more resources are left for the rest of us [sacrasm].

No. I do not believe that. That is why I believe in border security.
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As a father of 3 It’s hard for me to dismiss anybody who uses drugs as worthless. As the brother of a drug addict and the uncle of a drug addict I can say I have zero use for them. They made their decisions. I will protect the people who live clean lives from those that don’t 100% of the time. I can only hope my girls listen to the lessons I have taught them about drugs, because if they ever get tangled up in the drug crowd I will end up behind bars. While my sister and my neice aren’t my problem, my girls are.
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Nile just has to find a way to blame everything on capitalism.

Surely, Nile, your thought process isn't that crippled by your political ideological beliefs?

In reality, there is a real mix of reasons why folks get in to drug abuse.

Some just get in to it socializing with friends. Some get in to it to self medicate from abusive lives, a traumatic life event, etc.

It has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism nor socialism.
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I find your obervations about the opioid crisis and the ACA hilarious but then again I only have anecdotal evidence to back it up. A friend of mine needed pain killers for her condition and she was told that the ACA didn't allow for opioids except for extreme cases. She was prescribed a non-narcotic "pain killer" that didn't do shit. When she complained to her doctor he told her she was shit out of luck since it was policy within the ACA to not presrcibe opioids. Was her case isolated? No idea but it's my only case that I can quote as real world.

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Whaaaaaat a jackass. I doubt he has done jack shit in regards to the FAA and commercial aviation - certainly anything that would make a difference in his first year in office. Plus him and his ilk are the ones that want to deregulate every little thing they see so it wouldn't be surprising for him to start derailing the FAA sometime in the future. You might say he's not explicitly taking credit for it, but you can bet his ardent supporters are reading between the lines on the implication of the statement.

My job requires us to work directly with the FAA, and they don't fuck around on even the tiniest minute detail. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with responding to historical issues of the past. But without the evil regulations, the free market would not be sorting this shit out.

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Ahh, glorious dementia...

Trump accuses DOJ of being part of ‘deep state'

Interesting to hear the crickets of Trump trying to sow so much distrust into all of our institutions that could slippery slope its way into a more dictatorship-like government after eight years of crying that Obama was going to crush the United States and become a dictator. Wonde(R) why that would be?
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