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Yeah you’re right him talking about the cost and stats sound JUST like the mess Trump has been spewing and brewing up with is base. So yeah when you compare a speech like that to trumps statements and rally speeches that some react to I can see why someone would compare them. Lol... man please.

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I watched a lot of Mueller's testimony before Congress. It was sad. I really felt sorry for him.

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I watched a lot of Mueller's testimony before Congress. It was sad. I really felt sorry for him.
Can't imagine how exhausting it must be to have to strategically answer questions from two separate parties both looking to get partisan sound bites out of you while knowing you could potentially singlehandedly fracture the country further if you slip up even the slightest bit.
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Seems like the key narrative and interpretation of the report from Barr and Trump doesn’t exactly line up with the findings. I guess we didn’t need a majic ball or even the entire 7 hours in front of the TV to hear and know that.

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It was a dog and pony show for the Dem party to keep the conspiracy going and their radical alt-left base fired up to fuel their hate for Trump and the right.

But that attempt failed horribly. LOL

Nothing has changed because they have nothing proving Trump colluded with Russia. The whole thing is BS!

If they had anything to prove it, they’d crucified Trump and it wouldn’t have taken all these years, millions and hearings.

This whole fake Russia Collusion conspiracy once again has also proven that the Democrat party has gone completely insane.

All this is really pushing moderates, blue dog dems and independents away from the Dem party.




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If they had anything to prove it, they’d crucified Trump and it wouldn’t have taken all these years, millions and hearings.
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They can't exonerate because do not have the power to do so.

The whole hearing was based that fact he wasn't exonerated.

They kept bringing that up to make it look like they still had something on Trump and to try and move to obstruction so they could impeach him.

But there was never any collusion with Russia, therefor no (crime) obstruction, so there is nothing there for impeachment.

To even make the argument about exoneration to move in to obstruction and impeachment is playing on ignorant people.

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The substance and his interpretation of what the report actually said vs how it was being spun and watered down seemed quite clear. I guess with all of the entertainment and social media crap(twitter) coming from the WH it seems as if some were looking to just be entertained by this process and ignore what was said.




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I guess even Fox News are not “Proud Warriors “anymore since they did a poll(which they have done plenty the potus likes before) that he doesn’t agree with. Shepard Smith stays on this type of reporting track his show may get labeled Fake News since it’s not always agreeable. Smh...


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Mueller did two committee hearings on the same day. Poor Mueller seemed confused and it was clear from the beginning that he didn't know what was in his own report. He also said things in the first committee meeting that he retracted in the second. You have to be careful of any video clips of him testifying. It could very well not be his final answer.

Some people are making a big deal about the report not exonerating Trump. That is a political statement not a legal statement. Our legal system doesn't have exoneration. People are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. In our legal system, the government proves guilt and the decision of the jury is either guilty or not guilty. No one is ever proven innocent.

I have seen legal scholars (one a Democrat) speak out against the term "exonerate." They say it would set a dangerous precedent where people are assumed to be guilty of a crime and they then have to prove their innocence. You have been accused. Can you prove you didn't do it? If not you go to jail.

Mueller's lack of coherence, lack of knowledge about what was in the report was sad. It was obvious that his staff wrote it. And, adding political language into the report outside of that used in law was a warning sign that at least some bias went into its creation.

People will believe what they want. I have no idea if Trump did anything. There appears to be no proof of his guilt. But I imagine the Russians are happy. I read one article years ago that said they supported two protests within a block of one another: one pro-Trump and the other pro-Hillary hoping for violence. Regardless of collusion or no collusion they have deadlocked our government with Democrats and Republicans totally unable to work together.

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Everyone no matter their social or political views know who his guy is, see the certain people he attacks in various ways etc.. some ppl has been and will continue to be put off ,disturbed or even disgusted by some of his statements and attacks. What has been clear is that no matter what his base is going to remain his un wavering base no matter what happens or is said.

Interesting times that is sometimes I guess to observe vs respond to him or those that defend any and everything he does. We all know the potus is only in there on term basis it’s what has been brewed up socially and politically and the possible lasting effects it can have after his term that will possibly be a major issue. Quite a few have seemed to drop patriotism for pure devotion to party imo and if one has to ask for examples of that’s kinda sad c no one is that blind unless it’s willful ignorance and being purposely blind to it all. Live watch and learn I guess.

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I agree with much of what you just said. Unfortunately, the alternative was Clinton and there was an open Supreme Court seat. Democrats tend to appoint revisionist justices that wish to interpret our rights away. I much prefer our constitution be interpreted to its original meaning. If the Democrats want to change it they can propose amendments.

I just shake my head at what the Democrats are doing now. It really appears that the alternative is going to be a socialist. I can put aside a lot of personal dislike for the man to vote against that. A lot of people vote on personality. They really need to look at the underlying policies. That is what matters.

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I agree with much of what you just said. Unfortunately, the alternative was Clinton and there was an open Supreme Court seat. Democrats tend to appoint revisionist justices that wish to interpret our rights away. I much prefer our constitution be interpreted to its original meaning. If the Democrats want to change it they can propose amendments.

I just shake my head at what the Democrats are doing now. It really appears that the alternative is going to be a socialist. I can put aside a lot of personal dislike for the man to vote against that. A lot of people vote on personality. They really need to look at the underlying policies. That is what matters.
Then you're voting for racism and corruption over what you perceive as socialism.....

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Nova, I don't believe that to be true. I realize the left like to call everyone they disagree with a racist , sexist, or some other sort of -ist but its starting to get a little old. Beyond yelling and screaming labels they have very little else to offer. There is little doubt that Trump is a jerk. But racist? I could be wrong but I don't think any of his policies are racist. Do you know of any or are you just repeating what you heard on MSNBC.

ICE rounding up individuals who have been to court and refused asylum by a judge is not racist. Its enforcing the law. Expecting individuals to enter the country at appropriate border crossing instead of sneaking in at night is not racist. If you are an open border advocate while also advocating free everything to everyone then I think you are wrong. I have absolutely no idea how to pay for something like that. We don't have enough rich people to tax that much. And once the government taxes go that high there will be no money for investments and job growth. The economy will go stagnant. Unemployment will increase and the percentage of poor in this country will increase.

You live in Los Angeles. It has not gotten a lot of good press lately. Homelessness. Tent cities. People crapping in the streets. I've lived in California's central valley twice and have relatives who live there. They want to move out. Most are talking about moving to Texas. My opinion is that whatever the Democrats are doing in California please keep it there. We don't want it.
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Then you're voting for racism and corruption over what you perceive as socialism.....

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No, the Democrat party is the historically and currently racist party, and sadly corruption is paramount in all of politics.

Racism has a LONG history with the Democrats. It was Republicans who fought FOR the slaves to be freed. The one rare Democrat who fought for integration was JFK, and he was an exception, not the rule of the party.

Democrats are still racist, telling people of color, people of different heritage that they're just not good enough to do things themselves, they NEED the government to come and make things better for them against those damn, dirty white men. Are there racists who make up parts of the voter block in the republican party? Sure. But in the leadership? Not many that I can see. Is Trump racist? Please. Show me where he's demonstrated actual racism. He has won many awards for what he's done to fight racism. He hires indiscriminately. He may be an ass, but I can't honestly call him a racist.

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Nova, I don't believe that to be true. I realize the left like to call everyone they disagree with a racist , sexist, or some other sort of -ist but its starting to get a little old. Beyond yelling and screaming labels they have very little else to offer. There is little doubt that Trump is a jerk. But racist? I could be wrong but I don't think any of his policies are racist. Do you know of any or are you just repeating what you heard on MSNBC.
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ICE rounding up individuals who have been to court and refused asylum by a judge is not racist. Its enforcing the law. Expecting individuals to enter the country at appropriate border crossing instead of sneaking in at night is not racist. If you are an open border advocate while also advocating free everything to everyone then I think you are wrong. I have absolutely no idea how to pay for something like that. We don't have enough rich people to tax that much. And once the government taxes go that high there will be no money for investments and job growth. The economy will go stagnant. Unemployment will increase and the percentage of poor in this country will increase.[/quote]
That's where the "perceived socialism" comes into play. You simply cannot have wide open borders (which, no country anywhere has) and "free X to everyone" without socialism. And time and time again, socialism has proven itself not to work. I won't go into the practical reasons because it will fall on deaf ears, but it's not too hard to figure out why it looks good on paper, but doesn't work in reality.
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Here in Duluth, MN, our mayor who does EVERYTHING the liberal think tank perceives as "good" and our equally liberal city council has allowed for panhandling and tents everywhere to be legal. I kid you not, one block from my work there is a panhandler who has a sign that says, "Need beer!" He's obnoxious, he gets in the way, and I think he just got arrested (because his antics showed up in the media). We have people literally sleeping in the street (which won't go so well in about three months) but while the city council and mayor's office are patting each other on the back, we still have stagnant population growth for over a decade, we have no new big business coming to town (they're going across the lake to Superior, WI where they at least understand they need to grow a little) and people are FINALLY starting to grumble about the foolishness. We'll see if it actually results in a regime change.

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Yeah after all this time there is no question about some things surrounding the President when stuff like his very targeted verbal attacks on a social level towards certain people and his targeted attacks on certain lawmakers kinda speak for itself. Hell before he even took office let’s not forget the ridiculous Birther crap.


And let’s not use the blatant ignorance of the fact on how the party’s did somewhat of a switch during the civil rights movement that’s a tired old argument or even talking point that has been used time and time again even though many who say it know there was a switch decades ago.

And that give me examples of his bigoted racist statements only makes one play the blind game and get in the pool of fools who act like they don’t hear and see the crap he does and has always done. Just bc he didn’t put Jim Crow back active again doesn’t mean we should play stupid about the crap that comes along with this guy. To even entertain that “give me examples” almost makes you did into that cesspool of fools and wallow in the crap they support and ignore.
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And let’s not use the blatant ignorance of the fact on how the party’s did somewhat of a switch during the civil rights movement that’s a tired old argument or even talking point that has been used time and time again even though many who say it know there was a switch decades ago.

And that give me examples of his bigoted racist statements only makes one play the blind game and get in the pool of fools who act like they don’t hear and see the crap he does and has always done. Just bc he didn’t put Jim Crow back active again doesn’t mean we should play stupid about the crap that comes along with this guy. To even entertain that “give me examples” almost makes you did into that cesspool of fools and wallow in the crap they support and ignore.
You are correct. There was somewhat of a switch but not a total one. Many Southern Democrats were opposed to Johnson's Great Society and they brought their biases with them into the Republican Party. I hope most of those biases have since gone away with the demise of the WWII generation. All of the schools around here have been integrated since I was a kid.

I don't watch MSNBC or CNN. I really don't have any idea of what you are talking about in the second paragraph but I do believe that facts are important. Otherwise, we are making decisions based on rumor and innuendo.

And before we get into any name calling the military was also fully integrated. When I was an Airman First Class my mentor, teacher, and supervisor was black. He took a green, naive kid trained him and made sure he made promotions. I worked for him twice. Once in Arizona and then again in Southeast Asia. I made SSgt under his watch. I eventually made the Air Force a career. Raised my children on Air Force bases. When stationed in Nebraska my son's best friend in third grade was black. He was a great kid who was over at our house all the time.

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