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post #1021 of 2474 Old March 7th, 2016, 01:33 PM
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All he will and can do is hit the repeat button on topics that has been been beaten over and over and then stir up the topic with former president Bill Clinton again we have already gotten a taste of him doing that. But when there a shift away from that and it gets to the substance of numerous topics and policies it will be interesting to see him dance with just him and one other person on the stage.

He will not be able to get away with those general answers and a group of people on stage rambling on about this and that killing time it will be more focused and direct. None of the pep rally b.s. like his speeches and none of the dancing around the topics like at the current debates. The flamethrowing of old topics will only last for so long. Especially when the flamethrower himself may be a walking controversial topic in various ways.

Maybe IF Clinton is the nominee and Trump is on the other nominee what New flames will he throw. Emails, Benghazi, she worked with president Obama , she is former president Clintons wife, she lies(I guess he doesn't) etc... What I'm saying is as far as Clinton goes for quite some time there has been some flames thrown at here and some trials on Tv I wonder what will he say? She has crabs.....disqualified! J/k.. just in case someone takes this supe serious and prints it and quotes me saying she has crabs and I end up in some mess.

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All he will and can do is hit the repeat button on topics that has been been beaten over and over and then stir up the topic with former president Bill Clinton again we have already gotten a taste of him doing that. But when there a shift away from that and it gets to the substance of numerous topics and policies it will be interesting to see him dance with just him and one other person on the stage.

He will not be able to get away with those general answers and a group of people on stage rambling on about this and that killing time it will be more focused and direct. None of the pep rally b.s. like his speeches and none of the dancing around the topics like at the current debates. The flamethrowing of old topics will only last for so long. Especially when the flamethrower himself may be a walking controversial topic in various ways.

Maybe IF Clinton is the nominee and Trump is on the other nominee what New flames will he throw. Emails, Benghazi, she worked with president Obama , she is former president Clintons wife, she lies(I guess he doesn't) etc... What I'm saying is as far as Clinton goes for quite some time there has been some flames thrown at here and some trials on Tv I wonder what will he say? She has crabs.....disqualified! J/k.. just in case someone takes this supe serious and prints it and quotes me saying she has crabs and I end up in some mess.
By the time those debates come around, Hilary will be so well-versed in spinning all the shit that he'll throw at her (email scandal, benghazi, etc) that she will make him look like absolute garbage on stage while at the same time actually laying out legitimate, thought-out answers in response to the questions being dished out. He'll end up looking like a goon and only the fringe of the GOP will still be hanging on to his every word by a thread while the rest will be burying their heads in the dirt.
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All Trumps campaign has to do is get people to believe what is true. Clinton is a liar. She lays down next to a man who has no morals, who is a liar, who disgraced this country by sticking a cigar in an interns pussy. She is responsible for the deaths in Benghazi, she is corrupt, stole items from the White House. There are mysterious deaths that can be substantiated surrounding her political career. If any of that can be reinforced and proven by Trump and she still gets elected, the Presidency of this country is nothing more the a joke,ma farce.

I still haven't seen any substantiated dirt on Trump. Hillary Clinton is the most shady POS of any candidate in this race period.
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By the time those debates come around, Hilary will be so well-versed in spinning all the shit that he'll throw at her (email scandal, benghazi, etc) that she will make him look like absolute garbage on stage while at the same time actually laying out legitimate, thought-out answers in response to the questions being dished out. He'll end up looking like a goon and only the fringe of the GOP will still be hanging on to his every word by a thread while the rest will be burying their heads in the dirt.
That's what I'm thinking and then I look at the response after yours. That's what it's going to boil down to and that will wear out after a few adds and withing the first half of a debate with many to go after that bc those topics have been beaten to death already.

Surely some people will love to hear them brought up again but it may just have been a shot in the foot to beat those topics to death so long ago and to even politicize some things by stringing it out that some felt shouldn't have been politicized. So she may just sit up there with that smug look and handle Trump and the weird thing is on the surface Trump may disagree with her but deep down he may agree with half of what she is saying he want say " I agree " sometimes like Romney did during the debates with him and president Obama.

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That's pretty darn funny. And remarkably accurate.

What's really not funny is that his supporters don't seem to have a problem with that being the response.

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By the time those debates come around, Hilary will be so well-versed in spinning all the shit that he'll throw at her (email scandal, benghazi, etc) that she will make him look like absolute garbage on stage while at the same time actually laying out legitimate, thought-out answers in response to the questions being dished out. He'll end up looking like a goon and only the fringe of the GOP will still be hanging on to his every word by a thread while the rest will be burying their heads in the dirt.
Yup. In absolutely no way, shape, or form am I a Hillary fan, but she would destroy Donald Trump in a debate. Plain and simple. Neither one of them may say anything of substance or importance, but the Donald is going to be the one left looking like an idiot when the dust settles.

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I still haven't seen any substantiated dirt on Trump.
Then you CLEARLY have the blinders on, and are so dug in with him, that you'd NEVER change your mind regardless of what he says/does or what happens.

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That's pretty darn funny. And remarkably accurate.

What's really not funny is that his supporters don't seem to have a problem with that being the response.



Yup. In absolutely no way, shape, or form am I a Hillary fan, but she would destroy Donald Trump in a debate. Plain and simple. Neither one of them may say anything of substance or importance, but the Donald is going to be the one left looking like an idiot when the dust settles.



Then you CLEARLY have the blinders on, and are so dug in with him, that you'd NEVER change your mind regardless of what he says/does or what happens.
Enlighten me......open my eyes.

He's a bigot? I don't believe it. He likes the KKK? I don't believe it. He declared bankruptcy? Yes as a smart and lawful business move. He is a narcissist? Maybe, who cares. He is a womanizer and sexist? I don't think so he puts his daughter in charge of much of his business and his ex even supports his run for president. He doesn't have a plan? I don't believe that either all the other candidates are riding his coat tails. He has an agenda? Guys has a net worth of 4 billion and is almost 70 years old, I think not. He is crude and not PC? Good, I like that.

Anything I'm missing?
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Enlighten me......open my eyes.

He's a bigot? I don't believe it. He likes the KKK? I don't believe it. He declared bankruptcy? Yes as a smart and lawful business move. He is a narcissist? Maybe, who cares. He is a womanizer and sexist? I don't think so he puts his daughter in charge of much of his business and his ex even supports his run for president. He doesn't have a plan? I don't believe that either all the other candidates are riding his coat tails. He has an agenda? Guys has a net worth of 4 billion and is almost 70 years old, I think not. He is crude and not PC? Good, I like that.

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He IS A DEMOCRAT. He always has been.

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He's a bigot? I don't believe it.
I don't believe it either, because I don't believe he is sincere about anything he says. A substantial portion of his support hang on his bigoted rhetoric though...

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He is crude and not PC? Good, I like that.
Exactly. So do bigots and the KKK. He's not just "not PC", he says flagrantly bigoted things and some people eat that shit up. He's a demagogue.

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He is a narcissist? Maybe, who cares.
Some people care. Why? I have no idea. Anyone who says to themselves, "I can be president!" is a narcissist. So, this really shouldn't surprise people.

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He is a womanizer and sexist? I don't think so he puts his daughter in charge of much of his business and his ex even supports his run for president.

These things don't disprove that point. One can very much be a sexist piece of shit and still care about his family and trust his daughter. Also, SOOOO many sexist piles of garbage get support from women. Ever try to get a battered woman to leave her husband? It's no easy task. Some people just believe that they deserve to be demeaned, and that's their prerogative, but it doesn't reflect on what normal, well-adjusted people might want.

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He doesn't have a plan? I don't believe that either all the other candidates are riding his coat tails.
You don't have to believe this to be true. That's what's so interesting about beliefs. They can be based on reality, or on a combination of other factors. Beliefs don't normally warp reality though. What is meant by "He has no plan" is, "He has given no indication that he has thoughtful, fully-fleshed-out conceptualizations of either campaign goals or proposed policies. Remember Paul Ryan 4 years ago? That dude was a man with a plan. He had a whole 50 page economic policy proposal. He had pages (plural) on his website devoted to his social policies. Obama did too, in 08 and 12. This year, for a good example of someone with fleshed out policy proposals, look at Bernie Sanders website. Agree with him or not, you get a very good idea of what he is bringing to the table. (https://berniesanders.com/issues/)

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He has an agenda? Guys has a net worth of 4 billion and is almost 70 years old, I think not.
Oh, no agenda? Then why is he running for President? See, this kind of goes hand in hand with the above: If you're running for president and have no agenda, then why are you doing it in the first place? For fun? That seems, to the casual observer, what Trump is going for. He says what he thinks his audience wants to hear and depending on the audience and/or time of day, this can lead to contradictions. This is a problem.


All that said, I'm still rooting for him. The alternatives on the GOP side of things are worse, because I know what they are about and it's so much worse than the bullshit this demagogue spews.
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Enlighten me......open my eyes.

He's a bigot? I don't believe it. He likes the KKK? I don't believe it. He declared bankruptcy? Yes as a smart and lawful business move. He is a narcissist? Maybe, who cares. He is a womanizer and sexist? I don't think so he puts his daughter in charge of much of his business and his ex even supports his run for president. He doesn't have a plan? I don't believe that either all the other candidates are riding his coat tails. He has an agenda? Guys has a net worth of 4 billion and is almost 70 years old, I think not. He is crude and not PC? Good, I like that.

Anything I'm missing?
I can't believe I'm even dignifying this with a response considering how many things have been posted in this thread that you've ignored, but why not.

Two words: Trump University. That's an easy one.

It's hilarious how all Trump supporters, EVERY SINGLE ONE, make the exact same comment on his bankruptcies: "Oh, well it was the smart thing to do, and it was perfectly legal."

Sure it's the smart thing to do once you're to the point where the only other option is closing your doors. But it still doesn't change the fact that you made bad decisions and the business failed because of them. Where I come from, in the real, non-fantasy world of Trump supporters, bankruptcy is a very bad thing, regardless of the circumstances. Good businesses, with good management in place, don't file for bankruptcy.


Let me ask you this: how do you feel about Trump's new position on immigration? After really getting into the scene by his comments about immigration last year (and probably the first reason you started getting behind him, too), what do you think now about his comments that we should allow in more immigrants on H1Bs, and that we should be "flexible" concerning immigration? What's your thoughts on that?

I mean, most of us already knew that he's literally held both positions about virtually every topic at some point or another. But how does a Trump supporter feel when he has now flip-flopped on probably his single biggest issue, in front of the whole world, in the course of just a few months, during his campaign?

Also, being an officer of the law, what do you think about his comments about torture? Not about the methods or whatever, but about how the soldiers should always follow his orders, even when those orders clearly break the UCMJ? This is one I'd think would surely hit someone with a sworn duty to uphold the law. What's your thoughts on that?

But alas, I know the answers to those questions. Just like I said earlier, there is literally nothing he could say or do that would make you think twice about him.

And that's scary.

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He IS A DEMOCRAT. He always has been.
It's really fascinating to me that calling someone a liberal is literally worse than pointing out that they are a racist demagogue.
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The funny thing is that we all come in hear and think we are perfect. This is a forum where people tend to have less inhibitions about what they say also. So either we have a bunch of perfect Americans on here or we have a group of people who like to make themselves look better. It's the same thing with Trump haters. They are up in arms that he made fun of the mannerisms of a handicapped reporter for instance. I can guarantee that 85% of the people whining about it have done the same behind closed doors or with friends. He called Rosie O'Donell a fat slob. Guess what she is a slob and she is all over his shit to get that response. Again I guarantee that 85% of the people running their mouths have made fun of fat people behind closed doors or with friends.

If you do things behind closed doors and condemn somebody telling it how it is you are a loser. Trump gets attacked, he fights back. It may be juvenile to some, I find it humorous and warranted. Nice guys don't get to the top.

People say it's not presidential behavior to act like he does? Neither is banging an intern, stealing, lying, contributing to the deaths of soldiers, golfing when the country is in crisis, condoning and promoted racism. It's been a long fucking time since a president was a true representative of the people. If you can't see that there is a problem.
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The funny thing is that we all come in hear and think we are perfect. This is a forum where people tend to have less inhibitions about what they say also. So either we have a bunch of perfect Americans on here or we have a group of people who like to make themselves look better. It's the same thing with Trump haters. They are up in arms that he made fun of the mannerisms of a handicapped reporter for instance. I can guarantee that 85% of the people whining about it have done the same behind closed doors or with friends. He called Rosie O'Donell a fat slob. Guess what she is a slob and she is all over his shit to get that response. Again I guarantee that 85% of the people running their mouths have made fun of fat people behind closed doors or with friends.

If you do things behind closed doors and condemn somebody telling it how it is you are a loser. Trump gets attacked, he fights back. It may be juvenile to some, I find it humorous and warranted. Nice guys don't get to the top.

People say it's not presidential behavior to act like he does? Neither is banging an intern, stealing, lying, contributing to the deaths of soldiers, golfing when the country is in crisis, condoning and promoted racism. It's been a long fucking time since a president was a true representative of the people. If you can't see that there is a problem.
I'm not perfect, don't claim to be. I'm not saying what everyone wants to hear in an effort to get my opponent, a close friend and known criminal/traitor elected to the highest office of the land.

For crying out loud, LOOK UP HIS RECENT PAST. He is NOT what you think he is.

That said, I'll take him over Clinton any day of the week. Better the evil I don't know than the evil I do.

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It's really fascinating to me that calling someone a liberal is literally worse than pointing out that they are a racist demagogue.
It isn't that I see being a liberal as worse than being a racist demagogue. The reason I see Trump being a democrat as bad is that he is running as a Republican. Never mind that the GOP is falling over themselves to protest him (which is the wrong response as well), he is historically and categorically NOT conservative. He is a progressive rich bastard that is every bit a part of the problem he is claiming to be trying to "fix".

He's full of shit, and no one that likes what he says will even entertain the concept that he's lying to them. It's like 2008 over again. Obama lied at every turn, about everything. His past history showed a clear and unmistakable trajectory to his time in office, and it is exactly the same for Trump.

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FoxFive, we're not attacking you... I really want you to understand that.

But what most of us are trying to point out is that just because Trump is coming from the outside and doesn't sound PC doesn't mean everything else does not matter about him and his background.

That's all we're saying.

Look at Trump in totality. Judge him the same way you'd judge anyone else opposing him.

Would you negate their faults just because the opposing candidate was non-establishment from the outside and not PC?

Or do the core issues really matter to you?

How are you going to feel if Trump goes in and does the same crap as the establishment Democrats and Republicans and was no better than a Hillary Clinton?

That's why the rest of us are so careful and judging Trump in totality, not just off him being from the outside and not being PC.

Trust me, I feel your pain over the last 7 years with our Govt. You know this. We've all been posting about it here for years now and we all mostly agree on the problems. But I just don't feel Trump is trustworthy nor the answer to our problems after studying him. And there is too much at risk to choose the wrong person for POTUS.
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^^^ All of that is true. We also oppose Trump because we can see through his bluster. He has little else other than his abusive behavior. Try to pin him down on issues and he answers with insults. He doesn't even know what he stands for. During the last debate on the issue of H1B visa he reversed himself twice in a matter of hours. The only thing he has going for him is the general anger with our government. He taps into that with is abusive attacks.

Look at the last debate. He calls Rubio "little Rubio." He is ignorant of all issues and avoids answering through insults. I absolutely do not understand why everyone can't see it, or has our country moved so far toward the movie "Idiocracy" that I'm now completely out of touch.
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... I absolutely do not understand why everyone can't see it, or has our country moved so far toward the movie "Idiocracy" that I'm now completely out of touch.
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I don't feel attacked at all. I like these discussions. I see things differently then some. Nobody is right or wrong, one thing for certain is there will be a new POTUS in the near future. The thing that would worry me most is if that person is Hillary Clinton.

One thing I don't see is Trump drawing first blood when it comes to insults. They all run there mouths and he reacts. I can tell you I have watched both Rubio and Cruz in action and I don't like either one of them. They are not leadership material. Kasich seems like a decent guy.
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The funny thing is that we all come in hear and think we are perfect. This is a forum where people tend to have less inhibitions about what they say also. So either we have a bunch of perfect Americans on here or we have a group of people who like to make themselves look better. It's the same thing with Trump haters. They are up in arms that he made fun of the mannerisms of a handicapped reporter for instance. I can guarantee that 85% of the people whining about it have done the same behind closed doors or with friends. He called Rosie O'Donell a fat slob. Guess what she is a slob and she is all over his shit to get that response. Again I guarantee that 85% of the people running their mouths have made fun of fat people behind closed doors or with friends.

If you do things behind closed doors and condemn somebody telling it how it is you are a loser. Trump gets attacked, he fights back. It may be juvenile to some, I find it humorous and warranted. Nice guys don't get to the top.

People say it's not presidential behavior to act like he does? Neither is banging an intern, stealing, lying, contributing to the deaths of soldiers, golfing when the country is in crisis, condoning and promoted racism. It's been a long fucking time since a president was a true representative of the people. If you can't see that there is a problem.
Yup, the exact type of response I expected from a Trump supporter. Instead of replying to very clear-cut questions about his positions on issues, you deflect and go off on a rant that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

I'm almost to the point of thinking that you're just trolling at this point, seeing as how many direct questions about Trump and his policies and his character that you've ignored.

Hmm...kinda like Trump himself....

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He's not going to do it. None of the Trump supporters are. And they're going to turn a deaf ear to anything they actually do hear from him that aren't what they want to hear.

Trump could literally call a press conference, walk up to the mic, and say "F*** the po-po", walk away, and not one Trump supporting police officer would have a problem with it. Matter of fact, they'd probably praise him for "not sugar-coating anything" or "standing up to the PC crowd" or "actually speaking what's on his mind".

While I think comparing Trump to Hitler is a ridiculous thing to do, comparing the two's followers results in striking similarities. The unwavering, unquestioning, literally blind faith in their "leader", no matter what he says or does, is absolutely astonishing, and really telling about the state of this country as a whole.

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...has our country moved so far toward the movie "Idiocracy" that I'm now completely out of touch.
I've been thinking of that very movie for months now. I seriously can't believe I'm actually living through this.

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Trolling? How can I be trolling when I am supporting Trump on a thread about Donald Trump for President? All I have seen on here is people shitting on Trump. How about you lay down the game plan for the candidate you are selecting and why I should vote for him or her. What are their detailed and well thought out plans? I haven't seen shit on here other then to say that Trump's a fraud, he has no plan, people who vote for Trump are stupid.

And I would absolutely not support Trump if he shit on LEO. Trump is the only candidate that mentions police and military to the extent candidates should. I have different views then most, but I do a different job the most and that influences my decision. We have three or four of the same guys on a mustang forum saying Trump is an idiot yet he's taking the country by storm. But of course all of them are all idiots or ignorant. I will quote a line from one of my favorite Rage Against the Machine songs in that case. IF IGNORNACE IS BLISS PUT A SMILE ON MY FACE.

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You guys realize that if Trump doesn't get the nomination because of some shady political bs brought against him, Hillary Clinton will be the next president. Ponder that for a while.
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Corey imo he will not lose bc of anything shady brought up against him. Just listen to him well maybe I shouldn't say that bc you have been doing that and you like what you hear. But if put on a stage with just him and Clinton that random stuff he says that SOME people like and just eat up just isn't gonna fly for him to win the presidential election. Her experience on various topics will eat him alive on that stage.

So it want be tricks or antics that will bring him down or insults his lack of substance will shine bright when it's time for him to debate her hell it even shines bright now in the eyes of many besides his die hard suporters they just refuse to see it with the others on stage masking it with all of the arguing and killing time. But when it boils down to two ppl then I guess everyone will have no choice but to see it. So having a frontrunner like Trump with all of the crap he has said over the years has led up to this imo.

There is obviously a heavy undercurrent of people that wanna put this toxic type of character on the top and it may just put Clinton up there in return. Bc no matter the type of baggage that Both of them come with and it's different types of baggage and is viewed differently by the masses just think about how the debates may go outside of insults when it comes to substance and policies. One can almost predict what Trump is gonna say before he even says it and that's a problem looking at what he is running for he may as well have a pull string on his back.

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