Black Minnesota man Philando Castile, shot, killed by police [VIDEO] | City Pages
So I know the standard responses are going to show up to this: "I'll withhold my judgement till the investigation is complete" "lets see what this guy's criminal history is" "why was he reaching for his gun" "who knows if the girl's side of the story is true"
So what are you supposed to do? Everyone says if you're a legal CCW holder, to calmly let the police officer know in a traffic stop. But what if after that, when you're told to show your license, you get blasted to death because you did exactly what the officer asked?
Yeah, in any case I get pulled over, I tell the officer "I'm going to reach for my license, its in my wallet" or "is it okay if I get my insurance out of the glove compartment?". But is that really a requirement to not get fucking murdered? Come on now. When you're nervous (aka, every single person when they get pulled over) you can easily forget things like that.
Broken taillight ends up in the death of this guy. An officer fired four point-blank shots into a vehicle with a fucking passenger and a child in the backseat! Really? Is this going to be justified again?
Being a CCW holder in Minnesota, this concerns me greatly.
We do NOT have duty to inform in this state. This is not justifying the officer's actions, or anything else, just saying that we do not have duty to inform, and if I am pulled over for a broken light (which did happen recently) I did not inform the officer.
That said, no, the guy doesn't deserve to get shot four times for following instructions. The guy having weed in the car doesn't justify the officer's actions either.
Sadly, the only "evidence" is his girlfriend showing us his dead body after all the action happened, and that's all we have to go on. Guy doesn't have a criminal history that I'm aware of other than some petty shit, he can't be that much of a criminal because he has a CCW, but without knowing what happened up to the shooting, it becomes he said/she said and it's going to end up being not guilty for the cop even if he was in the wrong.
Here's what I did when I was pulled over last month for a headlight out.
I saw the officer turn around to follow me, I was going 7 over the limit (was going downhill, had gotten away from me) and that plus the light out got his attention. As soon as he turned around, I pulled my wallet out of my pocket so I would have my hands nowhere near my sidearm.
He pulled me over, I turned on my flashers and since we were on a state highway and there was a cross street coming up, I pulled onto the cross street to get him out of the line of traffic. I turned off my vehicle (my work van) and turned on the dome light, rolled window down, and waited for him to approach with my hands on the wheel. He shone his flashlight inside, I greeted him, and he asked for my license, which I gave. I did not give him my permit, nor did I announce my gun. He asked for insurance, I asked permission to reach into the glove compartment for it, he let me know I had a headlight out, and I was moving a little too fast, but he wasn't going to ticket me because I was still under 10 over the limit. I apologized for the speed, told him that I try to keep it closer to the mark and I would pay more attention. Gave him insurance, he whacked the headlight to see if it would come on (it didn't) and i assured him I would have work fix it asap (next day).
No issues, no problems.
However, if he had asked me to exit the vehicle, or was acting nervous, I would have informed him calmly and politely that I was a CCW holder, that I was carrying, and that I meant him no harm. I would have followed his instructions to the letter.
What I see people doing, and it is in good faith most of the time, is reaching for things, trying to have all their shit together. Just lay chilly, don't reach, don't rummage, it makes you look guilty. Looks like you're hiding something, etc. Be cool. Be polite. Don't say any more than you need to. Don't admit guilt. Don't do anything more than told, or politeness requires.
Guy may not have deserved to be shot. I don't have enough evidence to say who is at fault. For all I know he was doing something else that got him shot. It doesn't seem fully likely, but I don't know. I'm not going to make a judgement at all until they release the body camera footage. If they don't release it, it means the cop is at fault, and guys like that need to be called out for it, and let go from the force. I don't want officers getting shot, I don't want drivers getting shot. I don't want my permit revoked because it's too risky for the officer to know who is a good guy and who is a bad guy.
I am going to say both parties did things wrong. Doesn't justify anything that happened, but yes, both parties did things wrong.
I carry every damn day. I don't want to get pulled over for something like a light out and get shot by some trigger happy, nervous asshole, so I keep my mouth shut and I do not move unless asked to. It would be a good idea for any CCW holder to have their ID and their CCW readily available when driving. Put them in your phone case if you have a phone holder. Put them in your lap while you drive. Take the extra step to cover YOUR ass so you don't get shot reaching for your wallet.