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post #101 of 159 Old August 26th, 2017, 08:12 AM
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But that isn't what Trump said. He said it would be a beautiful, tall wall that spans the entire southern border. That is how he sold it and Trump supporters voted for him based on his promise to do just that. This idea that it was hyperbole and he meant something else is simply their way of justifying all the lies that he uttered on the campaign trail. It supports the stream of lies that he has so far said and emboldens him to continue lying without consequence.

He ran on a physical wall being erected across the entire southern border. While you may see it as political suicide remember that Trump could shoot someone on 5th avenue and his base will look the other way. While you may see it as bluster Trump is so ignorant I can see him actually doing it to show his base that he is fulfilling his promise and it's not his fault but congresses fault since he is currently using the media to setup the failure that he sees ahead.
I think that Trump and some others want a physical wall. He didn't lie about wanting it. He has said he is even willing to shut down the government to get it. But Presidents don't always get what they want. This isn't a dictatorship. Most Republicans want border security. There are more than one way to accomplish that. And all presidents, all of them, blame Congress when they don't get what they want.

I was thinking the other day about Rubio's amnesty plan. Democrats, in their total resist mode, are actually hurting the people they say they want to help. Republicans will not allow amnesty to go forward until the issue of border security is settled. If the Democrats would help get border security then the next step would be some sort of amnesty.

Yes I know people will shout "send them back" or make some other stupid statements like "they must leave so that they can come back." None of that is going to happen. We are talking about 15-20 million people, most with American wives and/or children. That is greater then the population of all but four states. People who say those things have never thought it through. Even if we are willing to pay the billions necessary in just solving the logistical nightmare, any program that massively takes children from their parents will never survive the emotional nightmare of children being pulled from the outreaching arms of their family by jackbooted, black armored, swat-looking police being played out every night on the news.

It will be a regular amnesty program making law-abiding illegals legal and giving people who came here as small children citizenship. We need to do this but we cannot until we address the issue of border security.

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I was hearing last night that there is a possibility that those that were brought here as children may get focused on.

Trump leaning toward ending DACA program for undocumented immigrants brought to US as children: Sources - ABC News

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I think that Trump and some others want a physical wall. He didn't lie about wanting it. He has said he is even willing to shut down the government to get it. But Presidents don't always get what they want. This isn't a dictatorship. Most Republicans want border security. There are more than one way to accomplish that. And all presidents, all of them, blame Congress when they don't get what they want.
All true but, as you stated, Trump is willing to shut down the government to do it. We lost huge sums of money when Cruz and the Republicans tried this yet we are going to be going down that rabbit hole again?

You're right. This isn't a dictatorship yet your president displays those traits in every word he utters and in every action he takes.

Again you're right. There is more than one way to accomplish it yet Republicans have refused to entertain those other ways.

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I was thinking the other day about Rubio's amnesty plan. Democrats, in their total resist mode, are actually hurting the people they say they want to help. Republicans will not allow amnesty to go forward until the issue of border security is settled. If the Democrats would help get border security then the next step would be some sort of amnesty.
So now Rubios "amnesty" plan has become a viable option? Where were you all when it was first put out? Remember the Republican response? They refused it out of hand because it was "amnesty" and they wanted no part of it yet now it is becoming clear that this is the most clear headed way of improving immigration. An improved check and verify system would be the best way to implement a better system but because Republicans were so caught up in their ideological fairy tale they rejected that plan out of hand.

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Yes I know people will shout "send them back" or make some other stupid statements like "they must leave so that they can come back." None of that is going to happen. We are talking about 15-20 million people, most with American wives and/or children. That is greater then the population of all but four states. People who say those things have never thought it through. Even if we are willing to pay the billions necessary in just solving the logistical nightmare, any program that massively takes children from their parents will never survive the emotional nightmare of children being pulled from the outreaching arms of their family by jackbooted, black armored, swat-looking police being played out every night on the news.
I'm sure "send them back' will be the nicest thing they say. BTW why are they saying that? Oh right. Because their president kept repeating that crap every night at both his rallies and on the news. Not one Republican stood up and said that that was a bad plan simply because the logistics would be a national nightmare but because the base ate it up they let it happen.

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It will be a regular amnesty program making law-abiding illegals legal and giving people who came here as small children citizenship. We need to do this but we cannot until we address the issue of border security.
I wish I could trust that but the data bears a completely different outlook. A large percentage of the deportations since Trump promised to only go after criminals have been law abiding illegals. Why would that change?

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So now Rubios "amnesty" plan has become a viable option? Where were you all when it was first put out? Remember the Republican response? They refused it out of hand because it was "amnesty" and they wanted no part of it yet now it is becoming clear that this is the most clear headed way of improving immigration. An improved check and verify system would be the best way to implement a better system but because Republicans were so caught up in their ideological fairy tale they rejected that plan out of hand.
Unbelievable. All Republicans do not walk lock step. Rubio is a Republican. There are many types of conservative Republican. I have always supported an amnesty program... always. I have been arguing against the "go home and come back" plan for years.

And as far as most of the Republicans rejecting the proposal, as Rubio said, it is too early. Border security needs to come first before Republicans will support amnesty. You neither listen or read. All you do is post rhetoric.

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Unbelievable. All Republicans do not walk lock step. Rubio is a Republican. There are many types of conservative Republican. I have always supported an amnesty program... always. I have been arguing against the "go home and come back" plan for years.

And as far as most of the Republicans rejecting the proposal, as Rubio said, it is too early. Border security needs to come first before Republicans will support amnesty. You neither listen or read. All you do is post rhetoric.
Really? Rubio and the Gang of Eights solution went to the core of improving our immigration system with it's border security options. Unfortunately extremist in the party all but doomed that because they had to stick to their ideology rather than do what is best for the country. Now that extremist rhetoric is being exposed for what it is. BS.

As far as your characterization of Republicans I wish that thinking extended to Democrats but then again....they all think the same.

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As far as your characterization of Republicans I wish that thinking extended to Democrats but then again....they all think the same.
It does. I have said many times that a mid-west Democrat is further right than a West Coast or Northeast Republican. The unfortunate thing about voting for a moderate Democrat is they seem to forget that they are suppose to serve their constituents instead of their party.

Case in point, Senator Evan Bayh comes from a famous political family. His father Birch Bayh was a US Senater. Evan Bayh had been Governor of Indiana before becoming a US Senator. Name recognition alone should and did guarantee success.

He voted for ACA to get it to the joint committee against the wishes of a majority of Hoosiers. He was suppose to be a moderate Democrat. He was suppose to represent us. When asked why he did it he said he voted for the good of the party...a party run by West Coast and Northeast liberals. It made people in Indiana so mad that he chose to retire instead of running for re-election in 2010.

He came out of retirement in 2016 to run for his old seat because Dan Coats was retiring. He was soundly defeated 52% to 42% by Republican Todd Young, a US Representative. He is now permanently retired.

This is why I say they are moderate Democrats at home but when they get to DC they seem to forget who they represent.

Before you say Republics do that too, you know darn well that they don't. The Tuesday Group and the Freedom Caucus don't seem to agree on much. And if Republicans acted like back-stabbing moderate Democrats ACA's replacement would have passed. By the way, can you tell that I'm still angry about his comment.

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By the way, Hoosiers do that to Republicans who forget where they come from. Senator Richard Lugar was a hugely popular US Senator but he kept an empty apartment for mailing address. Lugar did tremendously good things for Indiana and will go down in history as one of our greatest Senators. But as time went on his policies and votes were further and further away from the desires of his constituents. He felt that he had a safe seat and could do what he wanted. He did for a while. I strongly supported him at first but donated as much as I could to his primary opponent. He overwhelming lost the primary 60% to 40%.

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I was hearing last night that there is a possibility that those that were brought here as children may get focused on.

Trump leaning toward ending DACA program for undocumented immigrants brought to US as children: Sources - ABC News


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Also looks like along with any new bill/plan proposed with this they would also have to slip in a plan to fund "The Wall" that was talked about from time to time.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/05/whit...daca-bill.html

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One thing about Trump is that he will keep the MM political section regulars grumbling for the next 7.5 years.......so you guys have that going for you....which is nice.
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One thing about Trump is that he will keep the MM political section regulars grumbling for the next 7.5 years.......so you guys have that going for you....which is nice.
Shit's died here since the Cheeto took over.

Thanks, Obama...
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Shit's died here since the Cheeto took over.

Thanks, Obama...
Yeah, there's pretty much no point in conversing over things anymore. We all know where each other stands - to the point that you could write a playbook that would outline exactly how a thread is going to play out from each player's perspective depending on topic. Not much fun anymore. Meh.
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What are your thoughts on the planned ANTIFA attack on November 4th? I don’t think it can be taken lightly. All politics aside I am concerned about the up and coming young people in society. It has nothing to do with Trump or Obama in my opinion but society is becoming a drug and violence infested cesspool and it had to come from somewhere. I wonder if Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs thought they would unknowingly become main influences on the decline of society?

All I can say is I am mentally and physically prepped and ready.
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Yeah, we should definitely blame drugs for the world's problems... A lack of drugs. If only everyone would partake in smoking some devil's lettuce, maybe people would chill the fuck out. Congress needs a fucking hookah.

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Yeah, we should definitely blame drugs for the world's problems... A lack of drugs. If only everyone would partake in smoking some devil's lettuce, maybe people would chill the fuck out. Congress needs a fucking hookah.
Yeah, maybe a little weed could balance out all their high-intensity hatred with all the coke that goes up their noses.

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What are your thoughts on the planned ANTIFA attack on November 4th? I don’t think it can be taken lightly. All politics aside I am concerned about the up and coming young people in society. It has nothing to do with Trump or Obama in my opinion but society is becoming a drug and violence infested cesspool and it had to come from somewhere. I wonder if Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs thought they would unknowingly become main influences on the decline of society?

All I can say is I am mentally and physically prepped and ready.
the impression i get is that a lot of these younger people have some kind of romanticized view of human rights/vietnam era protestors and want to be part of it so they can tell their kids/grand kids that they "fought the good fight."

only problem is they don't have enough life experience to really understand what's going on or why they want to change it or how to change it. they just want to stand up and rebel against something without having any kind of clear objective in mind. it's laughable and scary at the same time to see such a hard push towards social justice/communism from people who don't really take it seriously as an ideology, but rather just as a means to "fight the power"
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the impression i get is that a lot of these younger people have some kind of romanticized view of human rights/vietnam era protestors and want to be part of it so they can tell their kids/grand kids that they "fought the good fight."

only problem is they don't have enough life experience to really understand what's going on or why they want to change it or how to change it. they just want to stand up and rebel against something without having any kind of clear objective in mind. it's laughable and scary at the same time to see such a hard push towards social justice/communism from people who don't really take it seriously as an ideology, but rather just as a means to "fight the power"
I think you just described the majority of 16-22 year olds since the dawn of modern man.
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November 4 "Antifa Attack" Get yer gunz rady bois!

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Oh shit! Seattle is burning to the ground! THE ANTIFA CIVIL WAR HAS BEGUN!




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Oh shit! Seattle is burning to the ground! THE ANTIFA CIVIL WAR HAS BEGUN!



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Remember, remember! The fourth of November!
We will rebuild!

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