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Presidential Trump getting things done!!

Looks like he is keeping part of his promises true. With everything that's currently going on the president managed to squeeze in some time to pardon Joe Arpaio as he said he would do in that campaign type speech a few days ago. Talk about things that personally make you go "hmm" smh..

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Just keep in mind you have to be guilty to be pardoned.......

Arpaio claimed he was innocent throughout. Trump pardoning him declares him guilty of the crime.

This is what everyone involved with the Russia Investigation will get. He'll pardon them all. Arpaio getting pardoned is his way of sending a message to them all that they don't have to worry about what they did. They'll just get pardoned anyways. The question is will the Republican congress allow him to do this.

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Just keep in mind you have to be guilty to be pardoned.......
That is not a true statement.

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Why would you need to be pardoned if you weren't first found guilty by a federal judge for defying a court order? What's most hypocritical is Arpaio has built his reputation on being Mr. Law and Order. A federal judge found him in contempt of a court order since he decided to ignore the rulings of both the civil and criminal judgements handed down to him.

This is Trump sending a message to Manafort and Flynn that they need to resist Muellers pressure and not roll over because they will be pardoned anyways.

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It all seems and smells on the foul side but on what you just pointed out it it kinda boils down to speculation imo. Even though quite a few people can see that pot brewing up quite a few things considered mainly politics I take it they will deny seeing those stepping stones even though they know they are dealing with a somewhat strategic guy especially when it comes to anyone associated with him and certain investigations when the time comes.

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It's cronyism in its rawest form. Arpaio was an early Trump supporter. Now he's getting his back scratched. This is the shit that Trump voters claimed they wanted Trump to eliminate yet he is the worst offender of any president in recent history. Why would it be any different for any of the other criminals especially his immediate family?

How many times did we have to read JohnC whining about how terrible the cronyism was with Obama and Clinton and how Democrats are so terrible because of it yet his president does it daily?

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Cronyism exists. There is no denying it. Both parties do it. Some is legal and some isn't. President have the authority to pardon whoever they want. If I recall Obama pardoned a record number of people during his last days in office. There were a lot of people who disagreed with some of those pardons but it doesn't matter. He had the authority to do so.

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Cronyism exists. There is no denying it. Both parties do it. Some is legal and some isn't. President have the authority to pardon whoever they want. If I recall Obama pardoned a record number of people during his last days in office. There were a lot of people who disagreed with some of those pardons but it doesn't matter. He had the authority to do so.
So because Obama did it it's OK for Trump to do it? Once again. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I would think this would be an issue with you you supposedly being a "law and order" kind of guy. Trump is openly defying the judicial system. Arpaio is no low level drug offender. He was warned several times yet he routinely flaunted the court order. Had this been some protestor you and all your ilk would be up in arms about how they are breaking the law yet when one of your own gets convicted and pardoned by Trump you're OK with it.

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I am pleased to inform you that I have just granted a full Pardon to 85 year old American patriot Sheriff Joe Arpaio. He kept Arizona safe!
Joe Arpaio was convicted for disobeying a federal judge's order to halt unconstitutional racial profiling. He literally shit on the constitution and is being branded a patriot. LOL. So much for the purveyors of supporting the Constitution.

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Looks like e was trying to find a way to step in on this for quite some time if he questioned the AG about it some time back.

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May I remind everyone about the time Obama basically pardoned 5 terrorists to bring a deserter home?

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"Pardoned" sounds like quite a it of an over simplification when it comes to those various situations with people who have been detained when it comes to those wars. If that's the case how do you explain how we handled various detainees in the compounds in Iraq and the major one in Afghanistan that ppl would walk by some years back and wouldn't even know it on a major base.

It gets into some iffy grounds when it comes to those TRANSFERS of detainees to various places. And if you worked a few months or even a month on one of those places you know it and those detainees don't directly compare with the day to day citizens here and how the laws are handled here.

So your comparison is heard bc ppl know this situation is on the fucked up side so they are gonna find various ways to point the finger here and there but man come on a transfer of Gitmo detainees and Trump looking out for his boy that parallels like a Louisiana shitty road and a smooth autobahn.

Just noticed something that two people brought up what Obama did but didn't mention at all or give a slightest opinion on what just happened on this current situation with the president and Joe.

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May I remind everyone about the time Obama basically pardoned 5 terrorists to bring a deserter home?
Obama wanted to close Gitmo. He knew the outrage that would come down if he just let them go so he traded them to get a soldier back.

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Obama wanted to close Gitmo. He knew the outrage that would come down if he just let them go so he traded them to get a soldier back.
He got a deserter back. My point is, trump pardoned 1 person and everyone freaks. Obama released 5 terrorists and shorted sentences for thousands of prisoners and put criminals back on the street, but you didn't hear any snowflakes crying about that. This is just more left wing anti-Trump bullshit in my eyes.
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Comparing bringing old sentencing up with the current laws to this situation smh... I would say it's laughable but it's really not it's just sort of pure avoidance. Only one way to deal with that type of foolishness. "Left wing anti-Trump bullshit" you know it's far from that and unless you're viewing it strictly from partisan glasses you typed that with your ass as you spoke that bc you know this isn't the case.

Your odd comparison of reduced sentences.
Obama has now reduced sentences for 1,000 inmates - CNNPolitics

Speaker of the House has a few words about it.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

Arpaios successor responds to the situation.
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I wasn't talking about a specific case just the blanket statement.

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Why would you need to be pardoned if you weren't first found guilty by a federal judge for defying a court order?
There have been several cases in the past where individuals have been pardoned even before going to trial. Richard Nixon is perhaps the most famous. There was no evidence that Nixon assisted or even knew about the Watergate break in ahead of time. There was strong evidence that he did try to help cover it up afterwards. Gerald Ford said he pardoned Nixon to help the country heal. But the pardon of Nixon was highly controversial and some believe that is why he lost the election.

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After Ford left the White House in January 1977, the former President privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision which stated that a pardon indicated a presumption of guilt, and that acceptance of a pardon was tantamount to a confession of that guilt. In 2001, the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation awarded the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award to Ford for his pardon of Nixon. In presenting the award to Ford, Senator Edward Kennedy said that he had initially been opposed to the pardon, but later decided that history had proved Ford to have made the correct decision.
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According to the Supreme Court that means we can presume that Nixon was guilty and that he confessed his guilt. That would be the same for Arpaio.

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Obama wanted to close Gitmo. He knew the outrage that would come down if he just let them go so he traded them to get a soldier back.
Your nuanced response to this is making me uncomfortable, Eagle. Please edit to speak in black and white terms only...







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He got a deserter back. My point is, trump pardoned 1 person and everyone freaks. Obama released 5 terrorists and shorted sentences for thousands of prisoners and put criminals back on the street, but you didn't hear any snowflakes crying about that. This is just more left wing anti-Trump bullshit in my eyes.
The ole' "Well Obama!" line... If what he did was just and defensible, there'd be no need to make "Well he dun it too" arguments.

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News reports show the President with around a 36% approval rating. He lost a pivotal health care vote even though his party controls both houses of Congress. He is facing a special counsel investigation, and has an inexperienced White House staff in turmoil. Reports of chaos, confusion, and infighting seem to leak out of the West Wing on a daily basis. The president is his own worst enemy, easily distracted, obsessed with minutiae, and uninterested in instilling much order in his administration,” the Atlantic wrote. The President's staff is reported to be "in simply over their heads." The Chief of Staff is "unwilling or unable to exert much discipline on the President or his staff." The special counsel has convened a grand jury to issue subpoenas and real estate development projects happening years before are under scrutiny.

The above was not written about Trump. The 1993 Times article was called "The Incredible Shrinking President." The President was Bill Clinton.
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I know it is not relevant to what is happening today but it is interesting. I can remember the Clinton administration. Hillary was given the responsibility to get health care through Congress. I'm not going to say things are worst today but it is nastier.

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Joe Arpaio was convicted for disobeying a federal judge's order to halt unconstitutional racial profiling. He literally shit on the constitution and is being branded a patriot. LOL. So much for the purveyors of supporting the Constitution.
This ties into when Trump told the Police convention in his speech to "Please don't be too nice....". He agrees with Arpaio that brutal, unconstitutional tactics are the way to treat illegal immigrants.

It'll "get 'em tuh understand".

In it's entirety for context.

"Now, we're getting them criminals(He's talking about MS-13, a completely blown out of proportion problem other than the savageness of the gang itself) out anyway, but we'd like to get them out a lot faster, and when you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, I said, please don't be too nice. Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don't hit their head and they've just killed somebody. Don't hit their head. I said, you can take the hand away, okay?

Maybe it's just me but, aside from the horror, "paddy wagon"? Is that how he views police? As gangster era cops? I can hear Cagney in his statement......."Deez guys, they don' git no royal treatment ya know? Just trow 'em in ya know?......Nice? Aaaah dat's fe suckuz......."

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