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I have wondered why Democrats have taken the stance that they have recently. I don't know the exact amount for border security but it is a pittance compared to what Congress actual just did. Children brought here as infants, raised here, gone to school here are just as American as I am? (My family traces back almost 200 years in Indiana alone. I have been to their grave sights and they came from Pennsylvania before that.) I do not know why we cannot fix this problem except the Democrats will lose it as a talking point if we do. I have been a supporter of this a long time. Read this article. It pisses me off that we haven't done something by now.
DREAMer Thanks Trump, Rips Pelosi & Schumer for 'Using Us as Pawns' | Fox News Insider

By the way, I am still extremely upset by the budget deal and the consequences that damn budget deficit will cause. If we fix the dreamer issue then we can all go down the tubes together.
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No words to describe the stupidity here.....

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The stupidity in that I want the DACA people to have legal residence? And for the children I want a path to citizenship. They have no other home but here.

Is that the stupidity you are talking about?

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The only immigrants the Democrats care about are the ones coming in on H1B visas because those are the ones Silicon Valley donors have lobbied to ensure they support. DREAMers are poor and don't vote, why should the DNC give a shit about them?

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The Dems don't want to fix DACA, which by the way isn't even law, it all started because Obama sign an EO making it up, they want to keep bringing it up hoping it will get their base all excited about the fall elections. If he had stood up at the SOTU speech and said all DACA kids are now citizens and I have decided we don't need to build a wall, they still would have sat there with stupid looks on their faces. They can't acknowledge anything good that happens while he's in office and I guarantee DACA won't be one.


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This tweet pretty much sums up my take on this: https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/sta...95895812612096
the spelling of that guy's name pisses me right the fuck off
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the spelling of that guy's name pisses me right the fuck off
LOL! Would hate to be his substitute teacher.
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According to a tweet a couple of days ago, Rand Paul said:
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In case you didn’t think Congress was absurd before, Senate Democrats are now filibustering the open immigration debate they asked for, and are refusing to put their bill on the floor.
I realize that Democrats are in a "resist" mode opposing everything that Trump wants but I think they have perhaps lost their minds. This thing has gotten upside down and backwards and the Democrats are holding immigrant children hostage. With the amount of drugs and illegal aliens crossing our southern border it is apparent to most that we need increased border security (no I'm not talking about a wall.) It is also apparent that we need to do something with the 15 million illegal aliens that are currently in the country. No one seems to care about that anymore. They are so tied up in their own rhetoric that they can't even give the Dreamers a path to citizenship.

I tend to agree with those that now say the Democrats do not want DACA. They want DACA as an issue to get more votes. I think the American public are smarter than that. I think they are fully aware the Democrats are holding everything up.

Yes, there were 14 Republicans that voted against citizenship but there were 46 Democrats that voted for against the bill as well. I have heard the arguments of those Republicans. They said that to get citizenship they have to leave the country, get in line, and come here legally. That is complete BS for the Dreamers. They came here as children. They have no other country but the United States.

There is absolutely no compromise anymore. I have often said that its not compromise if one side gets everything they want and the other side gets nothing. But that seem to be the Democratic stance in Congress right now.

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The stupidity in that I want the DACA people to have legal residence? And for the children I want a path to citizenship. They have no other home but here.

Is that the stupidity you are talking about?
No. I agree with you. What I don't agree with is that the Democrats are the villains in this as you would like to paint it. Are they using it as a way to garner more votes from the Latino community? In part, of course but lets remember that they are impotent for the most part other than being able to point to some of the more outrageous things they may support that they can get some political wind from the press on.

Both sides have their agendas but one side actually benefits the DACA immigrants in a more thoughtful way.

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No. I agree with you. What I don't agree with is that the Democrats are the villains in this as you would like to paint it. Are they using it as a way to garner more votes from the Latino community? In part, of course but lets remember that they are impotent for the most part other than being able to point to some of the more outrageous things they may support that they can get some political wind from the press on.

Both sides have their agendas but one side actually benefits the DACA immigrants in a more thoughtful way.

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I realize you want to declare the Democrats impotent but they are not. The Republicans do not have a filibuster majority and it pretty much takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate anymore. They are not being more thoughtful to the DACA immigrants. They don't want increased border security. They don't want chain-immigration changed. They don't want diversity immigration changed. And they are holding the DACA children's citizenship hostage because of it.

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I realize you want to declare the Democrats impotent but they are not. The Republicans do not have a filibuster majority and it pretty much takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate anymore. They are not being more thoughtful to the DACA immigrants. They don't want increased border security. They don't want chain-immigration changed. They don't want diversity immigration changed. And they are holding the DACA children's citizenship hostage because of it.
You have to be kidding right? McConnel can do whatever he wants and push through whatever legislation that he wants. His problem is not so much the Democrats because he can count on them not voting for anything Republicans propose. He has to contend with the alt right members of congress.

If the Democrats have the power you say they do why did the tax bill pass? Because republicans control both houses. Democrats can't propose ANYTHING because McConnel and Ryan have the power to bring it to a vote or not.

Of course Democrats are more thoughtful to DACA immigrants. That's how they get their votes remember? Isn't that the consensus within the brotherhood? That Democrats cater to brown and black people solely to get their votes? Democrats are fine with more border security. What they don't want is STUPID border security like, say, a wall? Chain migration is just red meat for the base. As far as diversity immigration they can do away with that as far as I'm concerned but then again if we don't have it we're going to have an influx of northern europeans since Asshole prefers them over Haitians and others from "shithole" countries.

Democrats are not holding DACA childrens citizenship hostage. You make it sound like if the Democrats don't agree to the ridiculous deal that Trump wants to make to fund his wall that they are holding them hostage. To the contrary, they are trying to get the best deal they can for them and for immigration reform. When Republicans do that you call it "holding their grounds and sticking to their values". When Democrats do it they are "holding people hostage".......

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Seems to be some interesting stuff going on with this separation policy with the kids being separated from the parents.

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I read those articles. It appears that the Democrats want to go back to catch-and-release where the parents with their children disappear into the countryside and do not appear for their court date. That is a policy that needed to be changed.

I happen to know several people who have gone to jail. Some are my relatives. Some were single parents. None of them got to take their children with them. Some of the children ended up in foster care until their parents are released. I helped raise money for a facility a couple of years ago that took care of children when their parents couldn't. They gave the children back when they could.

This is no different. If the parents are granted asylum then they and their children will be allowed to stay. If not they and their children will have to go home. And this is nothing new. During the Obama administration armed police took a Cuban boy from the home of his uncle at gun point. The Democrats are just hoping for an emotional issue that will help the win the election.

I like the comment made by a Democratic Congressman who was conducting a surprise visit to a detention center. He had to remove things from his pockets. Wow! I have visited people in jail and I have always had to remove everything from my pockets. Its standard procedure.

The issue also has nothing to do with the dreamers. These children are new immigrants. They have a home to go back to. Their parents just don't want to go back. Dreamers have lived their lives here. Gone to school here. Its an entirely different issue.

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The issue also has nothing to do with the dreamers. These children are new immigrants. They have a home to go back to. Their parents just don't want to go back. Dreamers have lived their lives here. Gone to school here. Its an entirely different issue.

I know this particular topic has been dead on here and in the media for quite some time but thanks for telling me Fire is hot. I lumped this in here to not start an entire new thread on the topic of immigration on a somewhat slow moving forum and section when I remember that the topic of immigration had come up before not too long ago.

As far as peopleís thoughts on it no matter their political affiliation(which shouldnít matter but we know how that goes) I have been listening to that for days even some of the repeated lines so yeah I hear your points on that. Like I said some interesting stuff going on with all of this those are my thoughts without going into details.

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This whole idea that because someone crossed the border illegally they should be put in jail and be separated from their children is both morally and legally wrong.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor the first time. It is a felony thereafter. If someone is caught with their children crossing the border for a second time then I am in agreement that they should be jailed and their kids should be housed in the interim until they have their due process.

But that's not what's happening.

What's happening is a majority of them are presenting themselves for asylum and are being arrested as if they broke the law. They haven't even physically crossed the border so technically they haven't broken any law. Presenting yourself for asylum is the policy of DHS and USCBP in regards to asylum seekers so to say that they are attempting to illegally enter the country when they are following policy is not true but truth is not what this administration seeks. Advisers, namely Stephen Miller, to Trump are what is causing this. They have been pushing for this and Trump, in all his idiotic glory, finally decided to pull the trigger on the policy because border crossing numbers are waning and he has no more red meat to throw to his base so, as usual, he manufactures a crisis to divert from the Russia investigation or whatever scandal is going on that day.

Did Obama do it? Yes.

Do two wrongs make a right? No.

These kids and their parents are being used as a bargaining chip by this administration and it is morally and legally wrong yet his most ardent supporters, evangelicals, stay silent.

Since our AG thinks that the bible is the place to determine government policy these passages seems to speak to how immigrants should be treated by those that TRULY practice the faith and want favor from the creator for safe passage into heaven yet those that claim they are the faithful stray from his teachings for their own worldly desires.

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“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ...

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You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.

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And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: [yea, though he be] a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

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What's happening is a majority of them are presenting themselves for asylum and are being arrested as if they broke the law. They haven't even physically crossed the border so technically they haven't broken any law.
If they haven't crossed the border then how are they in US jurisdiction? That makes them Mexico's problem.

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What's happening is a majority of them are presenting themselves for asylum and are being arrested as if they broke the law. They haven't even physically crossed the border so technically they haven't broken any law.
If they haven't crossed the border then how are they in US jurisdiction? That makes them Mexico's problem.
It makes no sense. He is making it out like ICE is making arrests on Mexico’s side of the fence. That’s not happening.

The asylum loophole was highly abused by criminals and everyone else to get into the country. It must be closed. We can’t afford to take care of the Mexico and Central America’s citizens without bankrupting our own.

As Clinton said in his immigration reform speech in 1995, “ We are a nation of immigrants but also a nation of laws.” Don’t break the law then bitch about the outcome.
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Let me explain. The way asylum works and what has been happening is central american migrants that are being threatened with death or their loved ones are being killed by cartels and gangs are seeking safety. They trek through central america and mexico to get to the US border. Once there they walk into the Customs office and declare themselves asylum seekers. At this point they are led away so that they can have their due process and a judge can determine whether their asylum claim is justified.

That is the process. What the reality is is when they are presenting themselves Customs is arresting them as if they tried to cross the border illegally. Customs claims that by their walking into their office, which is technically american soil, they are entering the US illegally regardless of the fact that DHS and USCBP's policy is for asylum seekers to present themselves to their office. My guess is Sessions directed USCBP to arrest anyone either crossing or claiming asylum as he sees asylum seekers as just using asylum as an excuse. Shameful.

If you don't like the asylum laws then change them but to just turn every one of them away as if they are all using it to get into the country is ludicrous and illegal. Let them have their due process and let a judge decide whether their claim is legitimate. That's the way the process works and the law requires but it is being ignored.

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They trek? A report I saw said they paid $8,000 each to get here. Mexico lets them through because they don't want to deal with it. Hell, lately they even photographed the train bringing thousands through Mexico to our border. This is complete BS.

Since you never post sources I'm not going to post this one. The Secretary just spoke today about all this. They take children under certain circumstances: if they cannot determine a familiar relationship, if they are alone, and if the parents are charged with a crime.

That is a lot different then you "open borders" advocates say.

My opinion is: we don't let them in unless they have proven their case in court. If Mexico wishes to support them, that is Mexico's decision.

If they come in illegally then they go to jail. I really don't care about the conditions of El Salvador. You are telling me the oppressed in El Salvador have $8,000 to pay to get here. I would have a hard time raising $8,000 each to get my family somewhere. This is all BS. Everyone is lying.

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They trek? A report I saw said they paid $8,000 each to get here. Mexico lets them through because they don't want to deal with it. Hell, lately they even photographed the train bringing thousands through Mexico to our border. This is complete BS.

Since you never post sources I'm not going to post this one. The Secretary just spoke today about all this. They take children under certain circumstances: if they cannot determine a familiar relationship, if they are alone, and if the parents are charged with a crime.

That is a lot different then you "open borders" advocates say.

My opinion is: we don't let them in unless they have proven their case in court. If Mexico wishes to support them, that is Mexico's decision.

If they come in illegally then they go to jail. I really don't care about the conditions of El Salvador. You are telling me the oppressed in El Salvador have $8,000 to pay to get here. I would have a hard time raising $8,000 each to get my family somewhere. This is all BS. Everyone is lying.
Yes they "trek". Some take the train but there have been many lives lost riding the trains so even those are dangerous. Most walk the entire way. The $8,000 is for a guide to keep them from being accosted although that never seems to work out so well as the guides tend to be the worst of the abusers. Once they reach the border they have "coyotes" that guide them the rest of the way. As far as their gathering the money usually that is their life savings or they've taken a collection among their family and friends. They are willing to give up their lives and their life savings in their country to go to a foreign land that hates them. That's pretty ballsy if you ask me and speaks a lot to the desperation they are having there.

And there is the justification they are using...."and if the parents are charged with a crime." The crime they are claiming is crossing illegally when most have done nothing of the sort. They've presented as asylum seekers and their claims are being pushed to one side and they are being convicted without due process. That is illegal.

BTW I am not an open border advocate. I believe that we can treat people like humans and still be effective. To try and use scare tactics by traumatizing families is not Americas values but then again Americas values left the day Trump got inaugurated.

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