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Just another M112 Thread

So after seeing Mike going for some Roots and Nick suggesting that I buy an M112 adapter plate. I pulled the trigger on it and and got it.

Now I know a lot of people initially told me I was making a big mistake because there's no intercooling on the M112 and that I'm going to experience a huge amount of heat soak with the car but to be quite honest, I'm ok with it. You see, most people, especially on MM would constantly force down your throat to think ahead, think of the long term usage of the vehicle. What are your long term plans and build from there. Well I've done a whole lot of talking with WickedSnake and have his build thread read from start to finish (I actually subscribed long before he was started with his swap). The car will eventually be 4v swapped, so what better way to prepare than to buy the roots style M112 so I'll have it long term.

Onto the nitty gritty. I'm going to amend this first post so that everything I learn throughout and that which is posted further below is going to all get compiled up top here.

Required Parts:
Eaton M112
Adapter plate(available from mysteed)
39# injectors
90mm Lightning MAF
CAI for a 03/04 Cobra
255 or 310lph fuel pump (SVT Focus Pump 3S4Z-9H307-BC)
- 2002 to 2004 SVT Focus Pump
IAT
- IAT sensor - 9C1Z-12A697-B – Ford
- IAT pigtail - 3U2Z-14S411-JZA - Ford
NGK TR6 plugs
Idler pulley and mounting hardware
Serpentine Belt
Gauges (wideband AFR, Boost)
RTV gasket maker
Supercharger oil
- Supercharger oil - Xl-4 - Ford
Gaskets
- TB gasket - F7LZ-9E936-AA – Ford
- Plenum gasket - 9L437 – Ford
- M112 gasket - 9H486 - Ford

Tools:
Socket set and ratchet
Wrench set
Tap and die set
Drill and assorted bits
Assorted pliers
Wire crimper
Extra wire, vacuum hoses, wire loom etc
Assorted nuts, bolts and washers


Odd notes:
When you change the fuel pump, do the PPRV delete, it will lower the duty cycle of the fuel pump.
Ford 42# Injectors possibly better due 39# spray pattern
Stock Pulley: 3.65 is stock like Fink said. Cobra guys see around an extra 6 to 8PSI with a 2.75. This will be too much for your sixer. Find a stock pulley for sale. Needs UDP 25%


Build Threads:

- Fink's Installation thread - here
- Fink's build thread - here
- GDP's Build Thread (Fink referenced this guy a few times) - here
- Chaoticdismay build thead (GDP's references this guy several times and this is the guy with the shaker hood on the m112) - here
- 04nighrmare another guy who also did the swap - here

The two who started it all...
Matt - LilRoush - here
Nathan - mysteed while developing the plate - here

Just as any FYI... 3.7mustang.com is the best place to find a lot of this information.

I've compiled these install threads and instructions into a 30 page living document on my computer attached here...

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6_...2hWakpfM05nalU


I'm looking for any hints/tips/tricks/call outs that you guys have acquired and I'll post them up here with due credit. I'd also like to get a conversation going. Feel free to post pictures and contributing as such.

FAQs: (Under construction)

1. Adapter Plates:

There are several different kinds of adapter plates out on the market. There are (to the best of my knowledge and the people I've talked to) 4 variants of the adapter plates. Typically the adapters plates run from 700$ to 900$ depending on who is selling and what version they are selling.

Mysteed:
- The height of my mysteed plate is 2.25"
- In order to prevent the Plate warpage that happens from the welding of the plate, mysteed would send his plates to a CNC place so that they did not exhibit the warpage. Below is a pic of my mysteed plate.


LilRoush:
- Here is a pic of the design by LilRoush



SSM-Old Design:
- Here is a pic of the original SSM-Old Design Plate.



SSM- New Design:
- The height of the SSM-New plate is ~2.375"


The tallest height of the M112 blower is ~6.125" at the back where the plenum connects. The top of the stock pulley is roughly 5.125" from the top of the adapter plate. This would mean, if you're doing measurements off your lower intake you should be adding the heights above to whichever adapter plate you end up with.

Also, if you end up keeping the IAC in its stock location, you will be adding roughly 1.5" to 2" more to the top of the blower.


2. Hood Clearance:

Hood clearance is a well known issue with the M112 on the v6 motor. This has to do with the fact that the adapter plate adds height to the otherwise already tall M112 Blower. Many have tried several different methods of mending the stock hood as well as testing out different hoods with cowls. Remember this is all going to come down to which adapter plate you have.

With mysteed's adapter plate or ssm's newly developed adapter plate, it is my understanding that most cowl hoods including a 3" cowl or the cobra R will fit without rubbing to successfully cover the M112.


Stock 99-02 Hood with GT Hood Scoop
- Here is an example of the M112 under a stock 99-02 Hood with a GT hood scoop. As you can see it needed to be cut AND the hood scoop doesn't quite reach to cover the pulley.


- Here is another example of someone who tried to use the stock hood. As you can see the pulley sticks out once again. I've heard that there isn't a huge electrical issue with running this during the rain but because of the water you will be prone to belt slippage. With that in mind, this guy took it the next step.



Tork Tech Hood Scoop
- This hood scoop was designed and built to specifically reach farther and cover the M112 pulley. Now as far as which adapter plate this was intended to work with I'm unsure. It was designed for usage on the 2v motor but I've spoken with someone who actually used it.. However, if you can get this to work it may be a decent alternative. If you look at the images above. The blue mustang seems to have a smaller pulley on it which looks like it would clear the scoop while the red mustang looks like it has a larger pulley on the end of it which will not clear the scoop. The guy who used it said that with a little bit of saving from the poly and a 3.1 pulley (3.4 may fit but will be pushing it). With these you're also gonna need at least a 25% or 42% UDP.




Stock 03-04 Reverse Scoop Hood
- As you can see, the reverse hood has even less clearance since the hood is generally lower in the back and higher in the front. With the highest part of the blower in the back, this is one of the most unlikely hoods to be able to get working.

- Covered in snow, but you can see the clearance



Hood Cowl Modded
- In this pic, someone felt the need to mod a Cowled Hood. I believe that this was required because the owner was using the SSM-Old Design plate.



Mach 1 Hood Modded
- Chaoticdismay did an awesome job modding the mach one shaker system as a cover to his M112 giving the car the Mach 1 appearance.






3. Boost

- Stock Crank + 3.65 blower pulley = 12-14 psi of boost
- Stock Crank + Stock Blower Pulley has been run successfully if tuned correctly, but it is at the limit of what should safely be run on stock internals.

Some words of wisdom:
LilRoush - "Yeah, with stock crank pulley and stock Cobra blower pulley, you'll see safe boost.

With and OD crank pulley and a 2.8" blower pulley, I got over 20 psi on the 4.2L (according to the AutoMeter). That is a big no-no for stock motors."

RustyRodder (Alex) from 3.7
"...with a little bit of saving of the poly, and a 3.1 pulley (3.4 may fit, but pusing it). Obviously with these you will need a 25 or 42% UDP. With the stock lower intake (no porting), and stock manifolds/heads, a 2.93 pulley and 25% lower ran about 10.2psi on TomZacs car. But as you said, this all varies with the setup."


4. Non-Intercooled

- One of the main reasons that the M112 is not intercooled is because the intercooler on the Cobra sits *inside* the intake manifold on the 4v motor. There is not enough room in the adaptor plate for the intercooler to sit in it.
- Many would say, then why not make a lower intake to support not just the intercooler but even just to lower the m112. After reading on what lilroush and mysteed have mentioned, the problem is cost. The lower intake isn't just a place where the runners connect to the heads, but it also contained the cylinder head temperature sensors, as well as the cooling jackets that the coolant runs through.


Misc
Running the wideband in the rear o2 bung until you can get one welded in closer to the collector is alright. It can be run in either the drivers side or passengers side. It has been run in the drivers side to decrease wiring to the A-Pillar.



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Good to see extra info! This is one well written thread for sure! And man idk if its still on eBay, but there's an m112 that's basically complete for an awesome price!

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Anyone have an idea how to setup the idler pulley? I have a long bolt with a sleeve but it won't fit into the pulley and have washers for the pulley

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I can see this section in a couple months where a noob will come in and ask noob questions and the majority of us will have went FI
Or HCI
We will feel like bosses
I wish the ones out of this section held a private meet somewhere reasonable to line this cars up it would be epic
Meeting my boy slonison,becauseracecar,esg,mike,gaetz
Would be epic for sure!

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This would be pretty cool, but unfortunately, there are very few people in the northeastern US that actually play with their mustangs. New Edge's at least. In my neighborhood they all seem to be very old 70+ women. I get all giddy and prepare to rev the engine and see white hair and just slump down in my seat.

A large portion of the bro 6er's are in the southern US with a select few spread out elsewhere. It's highly doubtful we'll all ever be in the same place at the same time.

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Good to see extra info! This is one well written thread for sure! And man idk if its still on eBay, but there's an m112 that's basically complete for an awesome price!

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Has 6 39lb injectors for sale
While I wish I could jump on these things, wedding comes first. November 18th. and then my money becomes mine again. I can't wait! And to those who are doubtful my fiance owns a Camaro SS. So I have a car chick and will still get to play with mine.

JT is you're willing to hold onto them for me till I get settled in about a month. I'll be sure to hit you up. I have more information to this thread but it's all being kept offline. AKA who has what for sale. I think the best thing I've traced is who owned which adapter plates. and the family trees that they went through.



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Great thread with lots of info.

Im going to talk to some fabricators on my days off and see if i can get an front mount intercooler setup under construction. I just wish i didnt live in canada so i dont have to wait till spring to test/tune.

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Great thread with lots of info.

Im going to talk to some fabricators on my days off and see if i can get an front mount intercooler setup under construction. I just wish i didnt live in canada so i dont have to wait till spring to test/tune.

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Haven't seen you post in while lol anyways what pump did you use? And if you have a part # that would be great! I've been searching form the svt focus and run into different # numbers


And update...CAI finished, just used 4.5" PVC pipe, got that idea from the previous owner of my m112 setup...and jlt elbow (#45HL45) and a 4 1/2-4" reducer and brass fitting with barbed end

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Just a random 255lph pump a buddy had. My duty cycle up to 3k rpm is only at 40% with a PPRV delete.

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Great thread with lots of info.

Im going to talk to some fabricators on my days off and see if i can get an front mount intercooler setup under construction. I just wish i didnt live in canada so i dont have to wait till spring to test/tune.

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Fink, while I love to hear things like this. You more than anyone on MM, since you had an M112 running successfully at one point (the car is down for the winter if I recall?) know how difficult it is to keep your hopes up on this. After reading through Mysteed and LilRoush's threads, it seemed like they were bent on defeating the non-intercooled M112 problem several years ago (7-8 years ago) and there still wasn't any progress.

However, because you're one of the main people involved in the M112 builds going around, I will have faith that if you can't figure this one out, most likely, no one will.

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Haven't seen you post in while lol anyways what pump did you use? And if you have a part # that would be great! I've been searching form the svt focus and run into different # numbers


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I can see this section in a couple months where a noob will come in and ask noob questions and the majority of us will have went FI
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Oh and to add to your adapter plates - Tom Morana makes one as well but it's a bad design. Talk of warping and the compressed air only makes it to the front 2 cylinders since there's no room for it to "spread out"

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Fink, while I love to hear things like this. You more than anyone on MM, since you had an M112 running successfully at one point (the car is down for the winter if I recall?) know how difficult it is to keep your hopes up on this. After reading through Mysteed and LilRoush's threads, it seemed like they were bent on defeating the non-intercooled M112 problem several years ago (7-8 years ago) and there still wasn't any progress.

However, because you're one of the main people involved in the M112 builds going around, I will have faith that if you can't figure this one out, most likely, no one will.
Well.... They wanted to cover it up, I dont care if i have to put the m112 5 more inches higher. I dont need a hood to cover it and if i do get a cowl, it will be cut to fit.. Unless i just use my stock hood. But i do love how the hood looks as a wall decoration in my room.

And my car is down with a bad cam shaft sensor i think. Not too sure so im going to slowly buy parts for the 4.2 and have everything fresh and new for next summer.

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Bump ...just bringing it back up and I'd love to see that happen fink that would be pretty awesome!

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