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Just saw this. All of us with tunes better be careful before our cars are at the dealer. Make sure you discuss this with your dealer before they try to hook up there software to it without your knowedge.
Ford recalling 470,000 Mustangs to tweak airbag software - Autoblog
Based on the first paragraph they are flashing the RCM, not the PCM or ECU.. which means tunes would be unaffected. I suggest more research with your dealers as to exactly what they will be flashing, and if you have a good relationship with your tuner forward the recall notice to them, see what they feel about it. You may very well be able to take your car in as is and not jerk around with returning to stock, removing parts that don't work on a stock tune, and dealing with a huge hassle in general.

Here's the part I mention, I've bolded the RCM mention..

• Ford Action - Ford is conducting a voluntary compliance-related recall involving 2005-2008 model
year Mustangs to update the software in the restraint control module (RCM) to address a potential
non-compliance with one specific FMVSS 208 requirement that relates to an unbelted 5th percentile
female anthropomorphic test device, with the front passenger seat positioned full forward. The
action that Ford is undertaking does not affect the vehicle's five star frontal crash ratings achieved as
part of NHTSA's new car assessment program.
 

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I'll phone right now...mine is in the shop today and My 93 tune is in the car.
 

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Well... now I have a reson to go to the dealership, I guess... time to bitch at them till they fix my electrical gremlins ( having the speedo jump when I rev the engine is funny, and having the fuel gauge shut down when doing a hard corner)

Haven't felt like taking it... but a recall is a recall
 

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Talked to my manager...he hasint even heard of this yet..so i emailed him the link...he says the media usually find out about this stuff first anyway.
 

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Well... now I have a reson to go to the dealership, I guess... time to bitch at them till they fix my electrical gremlins ( having the speedo jump when I rev the engine is funny, and having the fuel gauge shut down when doing a hard corner)

Haven't felt like taking it... but a recall is a recall

My gas gauge did that in both my cars Luis... Nothing other then that though...


I have notice on both of my cars that The passenger airbag light would turn on and off randomly.... When I totalled the V6 it was a collision to the front Left (tore the wheel and ect all off) and only my driver side air bag went off... The passenger side air bag started to come out and just pushed out the top of the console a little...

With the Gt it hasnt been as reoccuring but the passgenger side Air bag light can resemble a strobe light at times turning on for about 10-20 secs then off...

Any body else experience that???

And of course Once I get an CAI and Tuner this has too happen... Now I am going to have to wait before I Data Log....

-Joe
 

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My bad fellas, I threw up a teaser of the recall I have in my own documentation, and just now realize that stanglifes auto blog link doesn't include the entire recall script. So here you go fellas:

Subject: Ford Motor Company (Ford) recall No. 08C02 - Certain 2005-2008 Model Year Ford Mustangs

Summary

• Ford Action - Ford is conducting a voluntary compliance-related recall involving 2005-2008 model
year Mustangs to update the software in the restraint control module (RCM) to address a potential
non-compliance with one specific FMVSS 208 requirement that relates to an unbelted 5th percentile
female anthropomorphic test device, with the front passenger seat positioned full forward. The
action that Ford is undertaking does not affect the vehicle's five star frontal crash ratings achieved as
part of NHTSA's new car assessment program.

• Number of Vehicles Involved - Approximately 434,593 vehicles in the United States and federalized
territories.

• Description of Non-Compliance - A 2007 Ford Mustang V-6 coupe was tested by NHTSA's Office of
Vehicle Safety Compliance to the requirements of S16.1(cool.gif of FMVSS 208. One requirement of
S15.3.6(a)(5) was exceeded for the unbelted, front passenger 5th percentile female anthropomorphic
test device seated in the full forward position.

• Service Program - Ford will notify dealers to stop demonstrating or delivering the affected vehicles
until they are updated with new software for the restraint control module. Ford will notify owners and
instruct them to take their vehicles to a Ford or Lincoln-Mercury dealer for the software update. Ford
will also instruct owners to have all occupants wear their safety belts and move the passenger seat
rearward away from the passenger airbag thus eliminating any real world safety risk associated with
this noncompliance.

Attached is the detailed information required by the applicable portions of 49 CFR Part 573 - Defect
and Non-Compliance Information Report.


49 CFR Part 573 - NON-COMPLIANCE INFORMATION REPORT
08C02 - 2005-2008 Ford Mustangs

Pursuant to Part 573 of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Defect and Non-compliance
Reports, Ford Motor Company (Ford) submits the following information concerning a potential noncompliance
to one of the requirements of S15.3.6(a)(5) of FMVSS 208 for 2005-2008 model year
Ford Mustangs when a test is conducted pursuant to the requirements of S16.1(cool.gif of FMVSS 208.

573.6 © (2) - Potentially Affected Vehicles

All Ford Mustangs vehicles built from April 22, 2005, through January 31, 2008, at the Auto Alliance
Plant are potentially affected. This includes part of the 2005 model year, all of the 2006 and 2007
model years, and part of the 2008 model year.

Because these vehicles are not produced in VIN order, information as to the applicability of this
action to specific vehicles can best be obtained by either calling Ford's toll-free line
or by contacting a local Ford dealer who can obtain specific information
regarding the vehicles from the Ford On-line Automotive Service Information System (OASIS)
database.

573.6 © (3) - Estimated Population of Vehicles Potentially Affected
Approximately 434,593 vehicles in the United States and federalized territories.

573.6 © (4) - Estimated Percentage of Affected Vehicles with the Condition
Unknown.

573.6 © (5) - Description of Non-Compliance

A 2007 Ford Mustang V-6 coupe was tested by NHTSA's Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance to the
requirements of S16.1(cool.gif of FMVSS 208. One requirement of S15.3.6(a)(5) was exceeded for the
unbelted, front passenger 5th percentile female anthropomorphic test device seated in the full forward
position.

Ford is not aware of any reports of accidents or injuries related to this non-compliance.

573.6 © (7) - Basis of Non-Compliance Determination

On July 24, 2007, Ford was informed of the test results recorded for a 2007 Ford Mustang in a test
conducted pursuant to the requirements of S16.1(cool.gif of FMVSS 208 for the NHTSA using an
unbelted, front passenger 5th percentile female anthropomorphic test device. An investigation was
undertaken, including inspection of the test vehicle, additional crash, system, and subsystem
testing and analysis to confirm the observed condition and to determine vehicles potentially
affected. After an extensive investigation, it was determined that the subject vehicles do not
comply with the requirements specified above.


573.6 © (8) - Service Program

Ford will notify dealers to stop demonstrating or delivering the affected vehicles until they are
updated with new software for the restraint control module. Ford will notify owners and instruct
them to take their vehicles to a Ford or Lincoln-Mercury dealer for the software update. Ford will
also instruct them to have all occupants wear their safety belts and move the passenger seat
rearward away from the passenger airbag. An owner can take these steps to eliminate any real
world safety risk associated with this noncompliance.

There will be no charge to owners for this service. Mailing of owner notification letters will begin
February 28, 2008, and be completed by February 29, 2008. Dealers will be notified on
February 22, 2008.

In accordance with Part 573.13 (d)(1), Ford is excluding reimbursement for costs incurred by
owners for repair of this problem because Ford's original warranty program would provide for a
free repair for this concern for customers.

573.6 © (10) - Press statement and Dealer/Owner Letters

Ford does not at this time plan to make a public statement concerning the subject matter of this
action. A copy of the Notification letters to dealers and owners from Ford will be forwarded when
available.

573.6 © (11)-Recall Number

Ford has assigned recall number 08C02 to this action.
 

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Yes that is one of the reasons my car is in there...to fix the passenger side air bag sensor.
 

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OK this recall is stupid. The air bag is suppose to get recalibrate for small children not wearing a seatbelt in the front seat. Uh hello small children are not even suppose to riding in the front seats of vehicle with air bags let alone with the seat belts off.
 

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OK this recall is stupid. The air bag is suppose to get recalibrate for small children not wearing a seatbelt in the front seat. Uh hello small children are not even suppose to riding in the front seats of vehicle with air bags let alone with the seat belts off.

true... but you can't blame ford for covering there ass if they get sued for something involving like that... people are stupid you know.
 

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uh ...there is a sensor in the seat that shuts off the air bag if a certin weight isint put on it(by a small child) and my 8 year old rides up front with mw lots! So i would like for this feature to work properly.
 

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true... but you can't blame ford for covering there ass if they get sued for something involving like that... people are stupid you know.
Yeah I know.

But it is just like the whole TPMS issue also Government mandates something that common sense should tell you to do check your air pressure tires.
 

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Just got off the phone with Dave over at Brenspeed. He confirmed the restraint and safety sytems ride an entirely different computer system..

He followed it up with, "pull your strategy code via the SCT before going in, tell the service manager to not reflash the PCM period no questions asked. If they do, the car will not start at all."

Lastly, he said if you are a Brenspeed customer, he can fix any issue via email. Sending of the SCT is unnecessary now.

So, he was confident, this is unaffecting, but said to be careful and clear in what you tell your service writer.
 

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thnaks Emay...although I have a predetor...my manager said he wont touch my computer untill i tell him its safe to...its pretty cool when a service manager looks over a nitrous kit strapped to your car ...LOL
 

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I notice my passenger airbag light flashing whenever someone riding in the passenger side gets out of the car. I assumed that it was normal, but maybe it's not.
 
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