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Whoa, some seriously awesome information going on here. Thanks guys! It'll probably be a little bit until I can actually get the drivetrain etc. as I need to renew my passport so I can go get whatever car I pick up, and the two cars I was looking at getting ended up being sold. Only a flood car available now, and I'm not touching that with a 30 foot pole lol.

As soon as I find one I like though, then I'll be grabbing it up and starting my engine rebuild to begin readying to drop in!

So I should be okay with the 4 thread plugs, just make sure they're C heads (was going that way regardless, so should be fine!). She'll be getting boosted eventually, but not for the first couple years at least! Just bolt ons and whatnot.
Yep, just make sure the plugs are torqued correctly and watch for them to be tight. I'm checking mine on oil changes from now on.
 

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Okay, another quick question for you 4v gurus! If I end up grabbing one, I'm going to be rebuilding it before she gets dropped in. I'd like to start with a nice fresh engine. What sorta price am I looking at here? I'll need new seals and gaskets, may splurge for a full port and polish while she's pulled apart, cost dependent. Should I have the transmission and rear end checked as well?
 

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Okay, another quick question for you 4v gurus! If I end up grabbing one, I'm going to be rebuilding it before she gets dropped in. I'd like to start with a nice fresh engine. What sorta price am I looking at here? I'll need new seals and gaskets, may splurge for a full port and polish while she's pulled apart, cost dependent. Should I have the transmission and rear end checked as well?
"Rebuilt" meaning new gaskets, or "rebuilt" as in new piston rings and the whole shabang?


Price will depend upon the shop. $2,500-$10,000 with parts and what you are doing.

If you are doing a complete rebuild including the piston rings (which will require the short block to be torn down) I would say now is a time to decide which kind of build you want. If the car will not be supercharged you can keep it stock OR select rods and pistions that will give the car high compression (11:1), and/or a stroker kit to up the displacement to 5.0. If you plan to someday have a power adder, you may want to lower the compression ratio to be safer on boost (8.5:1, 9:1, etc. ) and make sure your rods and pistons that are forged.
 

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realistically the cheapest route is buying a short block. MMR, Livernois, dss etc. Unless you can do all the work yourself.

It also depends on how extreme you want to go. Adjustable cam gear, full ARP hardware, Upgraded oil pump. IT adds up VERY fast. Im at $1300 for pump, cam gears and, hardware alone.

I bought an 01 block with 32k kms on it that should need only a light clean up for $2500. I have 03/04 piston rods n crank(same as 01) that i bought to put into my 2v before i changed my plans. I still need bearings, gaskets, seals and rings as i broke a ring putting one of the pistons back in their box.

labour will be about $1000 for machine and assembly of long block and timing the cams
 

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I'm planning on leaving it somewhat stock for at LEAST a year or two. Maybe just some bolt-ons. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind building it for a TT project I'm pondering in the future. So I wouldn't mind picking up forged internals, etc. That said, I think that's a bit too much for what I'm looking for right now, so I'll probably just do a light tear down, P&P, new gaskets, get the pistons and rings checked out with a scope to make sure they're okay, and maybe a set of more aggressive cams. How's the flow and feed on the stock oil pumps? Is it worth picking up an upgraded one for a mainly stock engine for a couple of years?

I just found a donor car with around 38k miles on it that I'm gonna throw a bid on. Mileage is low enough I wouldn't be scared to drop the drivetrain in and just give her right from the get-go
 

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I'm planning on leaving it somewhat stock for at LEAST a year or two. Maybe just some bolt-ons. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind building it for a TT project I'm pondering in the future. So I wouldn't mind picking up forged internals, etc. That said, I think that's a bit too much for what I'm looking for right now, so I'll probably just do a light tear down, P&P, new gaskets, get the pistons and rings checked out with a scope to make sure they're okay, and maybe a set of more aggressive cams. How's the flow and feed on the stock oil pumps? Is it worth picking up an upgraded one for a mainly stock engine for a couple of years?

I just found a donor car with around 38k miles on it that I'm gonna throw a bid on. Mileage is low enough I wouldn't be scared to drop the drivetrain in and just give her right from the get-go
With that low mileage donor car I would do a compression test on all 8 cylinders and call it good. When/if you go TT, it will need an entire rebuild for anything over 500 rear wheel HP (assuming this is not a 03-04 Cobra engine we are talking about).
 

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There's two cars I'm looking at. First is an '03 Mach 1 with 38k miles on it, second is an '04 Mach 1 with 76k miles on it. The TT will wait a bit. Goals for N/A would be right around 450 or so. Junkie, you're right. The cams will most likely be one of the last things I do, if at all while staying N/A.
 

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You aren't gonna make 450 n/a, 370rw is about all you can get.

N/A cams will compliment a turbo as most turbo cams are very similar to good n/a cams.
 

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Seems like na svt has set this thread straight. I can't believe I saw someone tell another member to torque plugs to 28 ft lbs. :bash:
 

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You aren't gonna make 450 n/a, 370rw is about all you can get.

N/A cams will compliment a turbo as most turbo cams are very similar to good n/a cams.
Cool, thanks for the info man! 450 was an ideal number haha. I'd be happy with 370 NA

It'll be remaining pretty well stock for some time. Gotta build up the funds to do something fun.

If I did decide to boost, what should I be looking for at that point? '03/'04 Mach 1 aluminum block with the forged crank. So I'd need Forged pistons and rods, obviously. Bigger injectors. Dropping compression to 9.5:1 from 11:1. What else am I looking at beefing up? Trying to make a list right now so I have some idea of what I'll be spending (roughly).


Seems like na svt has set this thread straight. I can't believe I saw someone tell another member to torque plugs to 28 ft lbs. :bash:
Haha, seemed a little off to me as well
 
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