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So I have a 2002 gt with some bolt ons, it has 260,000 miles lol. Basically it's falling apart. There's a guy local to me selli mg a 2001 Gt . It has 140,000 miles. Says 2000 miles on rebuild , says it's a 5.0 stroked. And it is turbo. Now I had the idea that you NEEDED new cams when you boost your car. But he says not. I just 2ant confirmation. And how can I tell if it's really a 5.0 stroked? I mean it DOES sound different than mine. It looks professionally done. It even has boost gauges very nicely molded into the dash piece. Looks like it cane that way from the factory. And the turbo and intercooler look very well placed. But he says the only thing wrong with it is it runs rich that you can kind of see it when you lay on the gas and I would just need to get it tuned. He didn't say anything about injectors or whatever but it clearly has some kind of fuel rail upgrade it's def not stock. And not sure about the MAF cause the cold air intake looks like one solid piece with one single wire on it. Don't know much about boosted cars really. But he wants 6k. Any thoughts or comments?
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Oh and how much horsepower do you think a 5.0 stroked turbo would be putting down at 10.5 psi?
 

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What color are the injectors? And, you do not need cams to run boost. Not ever.

 
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first off, you would literally need to see the crank/rods/pistons, a build sheet, a # off the block that corresponds to paper work. on and on. to really see that it is a 5.0 stroker. post pictures of the motor and setup. up close pictures of the injectors and we can scrutinize everything for you.

As with what was said, aftermarket cams are not needed for a turbo or supercharger. They would help make extra power if the right cam shaft were selected for the setup.

a 5.0 Stroker at 10 psi at stock compression would probably make 430+rwhp and probably upwards of 500+ rwtq.

just keep in mind. if the motor let's loose, it could cost you upwards of $6000 to build a new one. race engines are not cheap to build.
 
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What color are the injectors? And, you do not need cams to run boost. Not ever.

I can't tell. I'll ask him . And ah okay. Learned something new then. Thank you
 

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Cams aren't necessary.

You can't really confirm it's a 5.0 without opening it up. I wouldn't believe it unless he's got paperwork or pictures, and even then I'd be skeptical. It's like how everyone selling a 5.0 fox says it has a 347 stroker. Don't believe anything unless you have proof.

I'd ask what the hell is going on with his fuel system. And have you confirmed it's running rich by wideband?

Generally $6k would be a smoking deal on a boosted Mustang, especially if it does have a 5.0 rebuild. However with a lack of details and it being cobbled together I'd be very wary. It could turn into a very, very expensive project. If you don't mind that it might be worth a shot once you verify a lot of that information. If you want a driver right away, I'd probably stay away from it.

If I had to guess what kind of power it would make, assuming it was actually properly tuned, I would guess around 480hp on 10.5psi. But that's a total shot in the dark, especially if it's not tuned correctly.
 

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What color are the injectors? And, you do not need cams to run boost. Not ever.


the ones shown in the photograph that state not interchangeable are EV6 injectors. they actually sell uscar adapters for those on American muscle. so they actually open the doors to ford racing 47 lb injectors(Siemens deka), Siemens deka 80 lb, and the ID1000 injectors.
 

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first off, you would literally need to see the crank/rods/pistons, a build sheet, a # off the block that corresponds to paper work. on and on. to really see that it is a 5.0 stroker. post pictures of the motor and setup. up close pictures of the injectors and we can scrutinize everything for you.

As with what was said, aftermarket cams are not needed for a turbo or supercharger. They would help make extra power if the right cam shaft were selected for the setup.

a 5.0 Stroker at 10 psi at stock compression would probably make 430+rwhp and probably upwards of 500+ rwtq.

just keep in mind. if the motor let's loose, it could cost you upwards of $6000 to build a new one. race engines are not cheap to build.
Okay. Sounds legit. I'll see if I can get some more info from him right quick.
Any idea why this would be running rich? This is what he said about it :

"Not sure i can just kind of smell it and u can see it in the exgaust a little when u get into it...needs a retune anywaya since new exhaust has free flow 3 inch exhaust now all way back"

Didn't say anything about BUILD sheet , just gave me some info , I can see it has aftermarket COP and fuel rail.
This is what he sent about mods :

"All good..stock gears..rear end was rebuilt....has short shifter...the clutch cable will need to be replaced its stretched i can tell in the clutch and sometimes going into gear is weird...last time this happend cable just needed replaced because somehow it wiggled out of place and melted against turbo mainfold exhaust..so put new one in and now may need another one was like 60 bucks.. the clutch is a dual friction centerforce clutch deff nothing wrong with it good for like 800 hp ...like i said there are some things that need to be done just put all the money i want to in it..not sure if u noticed bumber is cobro bumper needs paint came like you see in pic..."

And I attached the dump sheet provided , max pwr : 496 torque : 592
 

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Cams aren't necessary.

You can't really confirm it's a 5.0 without opening it up. I wouldn't believe it unless he's got paperwork or pictures, and even then I'd be skeptical. It's like how everyone selling a 5.0 fox says it has a 347 stroker. Don't believe anything unless you have proof.

I'd ask what the hell is going on with his fuel system. And have you confirmed it's running rich by wideband?

Generally $6k would be a smoking deal on a boosted Mustang, especially if it does have a 5.0 rebuild. However with a lack of details and it being cobbled together I'd be very wary. It could turn into a very, very expensive project. If you don't mind that it might be worth a shot once you verify a lot of that information. If you want a driver right away, I'd probably stay away from it.

If I had to guess what kind of power it would make, assuming it was actually properly tuned, I would guess around 480hp on 10.5psi. But that's a total shot in the dark, especially if it's not tuned correctly.
Okay that makes perfect sense . But then again either way, it has 120,000 LESS miles than my CURRENT car . 140,000 > 260,000 . The body and interior are in DAMN NEAR perfect shape . He sent a video of it running and it seems really smooth. I'm going to see can I go down to his house (so I can at least find out where he lives if it turns out to be crap lol) and see can I get a ride around the block. It definitely doesn't sound like my gt though, didn't say this in the ad but while were talking about it. Said he needs the money for a house. Could be BS. Who knows
 

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Got this from him. But no confirmation of a build sheet.

I forget what pound injector they are whatever the on3 turbo kit recommended...i motor bored as well...diamond pistons..eagle rods and crank...obviously all the basic stuff while motor apart like timeing chain..which was a set so all new there...head bolts..etc..top end really stock like intake and heads...car made alot of power and alot of tourqe as u see just off of 10 lbs of boost due to way motor was built lots of mustangs out there same 10 lb boost not making near the power...can def add more boost if ya want motor can prob handle another 2 hundred or so but thats alot of wheel horsepower cause mine is 496 to the tire so thats like almost 600 regular if you know what i mean.. the car is tuned to 93 octane...aeromotive fuel pump...as well
 

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Personally I hate taking over someone else's project. If he can dump all that money into a project without budgeting for a tune that throws me off.

Personally I'd pass. But I'm OCD and skeptical about people's builds. Again that is me. Could be a diamond but could be a nightmare. I'd need a build sheet. Something documenting everything done. Last thing you want is a year long money out project unless that's what you're looking for. Sounds like you're looking for more of a DD
 

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Personally I hate taking over someone else's project. If he can dump all that money into a project without budgeting for a tune that throws me off.

Personally I'd pass. But I'm OCD and skeptical about people's builds. Again that is me. Could be a diamond but could be a nightmare. I'd need a build sheet. Something documenting everything done. Last thing you want is a year long money out project unless that's what you're looking for. Sounds like you're looking for more of a DD
Yea I understand. I got him to tell me his bottom dollar is 4700 been haggling him down a bit. So that's a little better. Either way I've still got my current GT. And my explorer. I just really want that turbo lol it's a pretty good price. I don't believe he was saying the tune was the problem. He just said that it needed to be REtuned anyways because he added a full exhaust since the build. He said he didn't know WHY it was rich, but could smell/ see ut when you lay on the gas
 

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Personally I hate taking over someone else's project. If he can dump all that money into a project without budgeting for a tune that throws me off.

Personally I'd pass. But I'm OCD and skeptical about people's builds. Again that is me. Could be a diamond but could be a nightmare. I'd need a build sheet. Something documenting everything done. Last thing you want is a year long money out project unless that's what you're looking for. Sounds like you're looking for more of a DD
Yea I understand. I got him to tell me his bottom dollar is 4700 been haggling him down a bit. So that's a little better. Either way I've still got my current GT. And my explorer. I just really want that turbo lol it's a pretty good price. I don't believe he was saying the tune was the problem. He just said that it needed to be REtuned anyways because he added a full exhaust since the build. He said he didn't know WHY it was rich, but could smell/ see ut when you lay on the gas
Is the car local?
Do you have a local mechanic?

I have a local guy I use for big stuff I don't want to tackle myself who is a mustang specialist. He charges anywhere from 50 to 100 bucks to look over a car. Might want to look into something like that. It isn't uncommon to request something like that. With so many gaps in details that's the only way if personally feel good buying it.

Was this all work he did? Is this a project he got off someone else and dumped further money into?

Did you carfax the car to ensure the frame is solid IE not a salvage? Sometimes if deals are too good to be true.....
 

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Personally I hate taking over someone else's project. If he can dump all that money into a project without budgeting for a tune that throws me off.

Personally I'd pass. But I'm OCD and skeptical about people's builds. Again that is me. Could be a diamond but could be a nightmare. I'd need a build sheet. Something documenting everything done. Last thing you want is a year long money out project unless that's what you're looking for. Sounds like you're looking for more of a DD
Yea I understand. I got him to tell me his bottom dollar is 4700 been haggling him down a bit. So that's a little better. Either way I've still got my current GT. And my explorer. I just really want that turbo lol it's a pretty good price. I don't believe he was saying the tune was the problem. He just said that it needed to be REtuned anyways because he added a full exhaust since the build. He said he didn't know WHY it was rich, but could smell/ see ut when you lay on the gas
Is the car local?
Do you have a local mechanic?

I have a local guy I use for big stuff I don't want to tackle myself who is a mustang specialist. He charges anywhere from 50 to 100 bucks to look over a car. Might want to look into something like that. It isn't uncommon to request something like that. With so many gaps in details that's the only way if personally feel good buying it.

Was this all work he did? Is this a project he got off someone else and dumped further money into?

Did you carfax the car to ensure the frame is solid IE not a salvage? Sometimes if deals are too good to be true.....
The car is about 30 minutes away. And no I don't really have a mechanic .
And not sure. I'm going to go up there today to look it over. And get some more info.
And no I haven't done a carfax. But I'll check out the title as well
 

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And what's up with this? Where does the MAF go with a setup like this?
that is a slot style mAF. it is right there on the intake pipe. it is placed after the blow off valve (which is in the passenger side bumper on on3 single turbo setups).
 

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with turbos running rich is not a problem, in fact I would prefer to be a tad rich and leave a little power on the table to help against potential detonation.
 

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And what's up with this? Where does the MAF go with a setup like this?
that is a slot style mAF. it is right there on the intake pipe. it is placed after the blow off valve (which is in the passenger side bumper on on3 single turbo setups).
Ah okay that's petty neat. I figured it would be different since there's another source of induction.
 

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with turbos running rich is not a problem, in fact I would prefer to be a tad rich and leave a little power on the table to help against potential detonation.
Oh okay so that's not sintering to be completely worried about then ? I'll take my scanner and see if there's any pending / stored codes and check the im moniters to see if he's cleared the codes before I see it.

And running lean is leads to detonation correct? .

Is there anything specific or crucial to look out for?

I'm about to go and see the car guys I'll post the results ! .
 

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What color are the injectors? And, you do not need cams to run boost. Not ever.

Hey Eagle. Out of all the these , it has the cobra injectors. That's the one that matches it. They were skinny black ones
 
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