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i still like that they threw in the Newtown shooting for their political gain, even thought no "assault weapon" was even used.
 

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I don't get it. If you want to bring in the whole school shooting thing, you're bringing the actions of an insane person with a gun into the argument. Then they focus on the gun not the crazy person. I think it'd be easier to get everyone on the same page if we worked on the crazy part not the gun part.
 

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It's not over until the Senate and House have gone through all of the bills being proposed one at a time to accomplish the same damn thing. Keep fighting for your rights.
^ This. Don't quit, Don't back down, Don't think for one second we have won, and HOLD THE LINE!

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It's not over. They want everyone to go back to sleep, though, so they can slip individual bills in for votes.

We need to keep the pressure as high as possible on these crooks in Washington, or they'll strip away our 2A right silently in the night. :yes
 

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^ This. Don't quit, Don't back down, Don't think for one second we have won, and HOLD THE LINE!

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To that I'd add we need to not just always be on the defensive, but we need to mount our own offensives. We need to get bills representing our desires on that floor as well; this has the immediate effect of diverting the anti-rights contigent's focus away from pushing their own legislation and forces them to spend time/effort/energy defeating bills, as well as the potential long-term effect of legislation that bolsters our rights rather than slowly chipping it away.

Now, legislation for this purpose doesn't have to have anything to do with protection of 2A rights or restriction of laws interfering with 2A rights. One possibility would be a proposition that prohibits riders on bills. This alone would be a game-changer for American politics, as it would prevent opponents of bills from adding incredibly unpopular measures to force a bill to fail, and bills that appear to have inevitability of passing from having riders added on with things that benefit only select groups of people (e.g. "oh, this anti-child porn bill is passing, let's put in a grant of $1b for the Children of Senators College Fund").
 

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To that I'd add we need to not just always be on the defensive, but we need to mount our own offensives. We need to get bills representing our desires on that floor as well; this has the immediate effect of diverting the anti-rights contigent's focus away from pushing their own legislation and forces them to spend time/effort/energy defeating bills, as well as the potential long-term effect of legislation that bolsters our rights rather than slowly chipping it away.

Now, legislation for this purpose doesn't have to have anything to do with protection of 2A rights or restriction of laws interfering with 2A rights. One possibility would be a proposition that prohibits riders on bills. This alone would be a game-changer for American politics, as it would prevent opponents of bills from adding incredibly unpopular measures to force a bill to fail, and bills that appear to have inevitability of passing from having riders added on with things that benefit only select groups of people (e.g. "oh, this anti-child porn bill is passing, let's put in a grant of $1b for the Children of Senators College Fund").
That sir, is what the hell I am talking about! Reps Rev!
 

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To that I'd add we need to not just always be on the defensive, but we need to mount our own offensives. We need to get bills representing our desires on that floor as well; this has the immediate effect of diverting the anti-rights contigent's focus away from pushing their own legislation and forces them to spend time/effort/energy defeating bills, as well as the potential long-term effect of legislation that bolsters our rights rather than slowly chipping it away.

Now, legislation for this purpose doesn't have to have anything to do with protection of 2A rights or restriction of laws interfering with 2A rights. One possibility would be a proposition that prohibits riders on bills. This alone would be a game-changer for American politics, as it would prevent opponents of bills from adding incredibly unpopular measures to force a bill to fail, and bills that appear to have inevitability of passing from having riders added on with things that benefit only select groups of people (e.g. "oh, this anti-child porn bill is passing, let's put in a grant of $1b for the Children of Senators College Fund").
Agreed!

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To that I'd add we need to not just always be on the defensive, but we need to mount our own offensives. We need to get bills representing our desires on that floor as well; this has the immediate effect of diverting the anti-rights contigent's focus away from pushing their own legislation and forces them to spend time/effort/energy defeating bills, as well as the potential long-term effect of legislation that bolsters our rights rather than slowly chipping it away.

Now, legislation for this purpose doesn't have to have anything to do with protection of 2A rights or restriction of laws interfering with 2A rights. One possibility would be a proposition that prohibits riders on bills. This alone would be a game-changer for American politics, as it would prevent opponents of bills from adding incredibly unpopular measures to force a bill to fail, and bills that appear to have inevitability of passing from having riders added on with things that benefit only select groups of people (e.g. "oh, this anti-child porn bill is passing, let's put in a grant of $1b for the Children of Senators College Fund").
You share my thoughts exactly. :yes

I had the same idea after thinking about the progressive strategy they use. They waste all our time and every time a bill gets negotiated down, we lose a little bit, etc.

We do need to reverse the game and do the same to them and start wining back some.

I'd love to see the NFA crap abolished completely. It's not like if I can pass a regular background check, that I can't also pass the NFA, so there is really no point to it other than it being a deterrent since most folks don't want to be in a registry or deal with the process and extra $200 tax. :no

Then I'd like to see full auto's legal again. Most folks can nearly pull the trigger fast as a full auto anyway. Then we have slide fire stocks, people can bump fire even without the slide stocks, etc.

All the NFA and full auto ban has done is create an elite group that can have full auto's. The rich and the political elites (politicians, LEO's, etc). :yes
 

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You share my thoughts exactly. :yes

I had the same idea after thinking about the progressive strategy they use. They waste all our time and every time a bill gets negotiated down, we lose a little bit, etc.

We do need to reverse the game and do the same to them and start wining back some.

I'd love to see the NFA crap abolished completely. It's not like if I can pass a regular background check, that I can't also pass the NFA, so there is really no point to it other than it being a deterrent since most folks don't want to be in a registry or deal with the process and extra $200 tax. :no

Then I'd like to see full auto's legal again. Most folks can nearly pull the trigger fast as a full auto anyway. Then we have slide fire stocks, people can bump fire even without the slide stocks, etc.

All the NFA and full auto ban has done is create an elite group that can have full auto's. The rich and the political elites (politicians, LEO's, etc). :yes
Let's not forget that the NRA is just as adept at shooting holes(no pun intended) at any gun control legislation that may get past them and render it useless. For example:

The BATF is prohibited from creating a federal registry of gun transactions. This would help in tracking who is selling illegal firearms to people who shouldn't have them in their possession. As of now, if law enforcement wants to trace a gun, the BATF has to make a series of phone calls, first to the manufacturer, then the wholesaler and finally the dealer. This is a very laborious and time consuming exercise that could be made much more efficient with a gun transaction registry.

The BATF is not allowed to inspect gun dealers for inventory discrepancies more than once a year. In practice this happens, on average, every 17 years. Why even bother at that point.

The BATF is not allowed to require gun dealers to keep track of their own inventories.

Some other NRA induced laws such as gun dealers being able to ignore police requests for assistance, denial of gun crime data to congress, ending of oversight of used firearm sales, background check records have to be destroyed within 24 hours along with a multitude of other laws that essentially cut the balls off of the original law rendering it useless for the most part.

I hear so many people complain that we don't need to enact any new gun laws. That we should be enforcing the ones we have on the books now but when those that are on the books have no teeth then, for all intents and purposes, those laws are non-existent.

Now I'm not trying to say that guns should be banned as I believe a gun ban does nothing in regards to lowering gun violence but I do believe that TRACKING where these guns are, who owns what and who is and isn't allowed to own a gun in regards to background checks is a good idea.

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I have multiple guns and spare magazines that were on the purposed "ban" list. I dont see how what I own has anything to do with this though. Do I agree with banning "assault weapons" no. Like I have said 10 thousand times I here I dont agree with a ban. Im laughing because I along with a few other people on here called this. Everyone would go out and pay 5 times what they are worth in a panic and then 6 months later they will be back down to where they were priced originally. Tens of thousands of people paid well over a thousand dollars over the retail price for AR15's and now they will go back down to where they used to be. Essentially throwing a couple grand out the window.

Thats almost worse than buying a new truck for 50 grand and having the value drop 10 grand after the first 500 miles when you can just buy a slightly used truck with 15K miles on it for 15 grand less than one with 0 miles on it.


So just like Rev said. This should be a lesson to all the fear mongers out there that jump to conclusions way to quickly and think with their emotions and not rationally thinking with their head.
 

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I have multiple guns and spare magazines that were on the purposed "ban" list. I dont see how what I own has anything to do with this though. Do I agree with banning "assault weapons" no. Like I have said 10 thousand times I here I dont agree with a ban. Im laughing because I along with a few other people on here called this. Everyone would go out and pay 5 times what they are worth in a panic and then 6 months later they will be back down to where they were priced originally. Tens of thousands of people paid well over a thousand dollars over the retail price for AR15's and now they will go back down to where they used to be. Essentially throwing a couple grand out the window.

Thats almost worse than buying a new truck for 50 grand and having the value drop 10 grand after the first 500 miles when you can just buy a slightly used truck with 15K miles on it for 15 grand less than one with 0 miles on it.


So just like Rev said. This should be a lesson to all the fear mongers out there that jump to conclusions way to quickly and think with their emotions and not rationally thinking with their head.
Yer damn right about the guys who got hoe'd on the panic buying, but you're still an asshole in my book :bubba: :gayfight2: :lol:
 
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