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I will say this once more. The guy I wanted was Rubio. When he dropped out I supported Cruz. The only reason I voted for Trump is he was better than the alternative. I still don't care much for him. That said. He is also a better option than any of the socialists running on the Democrat ticket. If the parties ran better candidates we wouldn't be forced to choose between the lessor of two evils.
 

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so much delicious irony

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Hold on, are you implying you're buying into this "Civil War" **** our "patriotic" president is peddling?

Cool, I'm looking forward to getting murdered by some dumbfuck who bought into the ultimate sleezy, used car salesman conman's wish-he-could-be-a-fascist illiterate rhetoric while proclaiming "ObAmA DiViDeD tHe NaTiOn MoRe ThAn AnYoNe ElSe!"

jesus christ people

"Tells us about the Civil War 2020, teacher! Why did we go to war?"

"Because people decided willful ignorance is strength and everybody became retarded"

Stop ****ing going to foxnews.com Eagle and turn it off the ****ing TV. Is that really how you want to spend the rest of your life? Getting riled up by some senile old fake millionaire dirtbag and his gang of "**** over and laugh at the morons" assholes over what ultimately amounts to a loss of absolutely nothing being pushed by a news organization that was literally founded for the sole purpose of being the mouthpiece of one single political party? You've been had. No Antifa is coming to your door; trust me, I literally live in the middle of Antifa Paradise and I've literally never even seen one of them. You can put your guns back in the safe. You really wanna go start shooting people over some spray-tanned snake oil salesman? How principled of you!

You fought in a ****ing war that was peddled as protecting us against dipshit "strongmen" like [draft-dodging] Donald Trump, and now you're hanging on his every word. Incredible.

You're in here twice a day posting some new **** you read on FoxNews.com getting all pissed off and ready for war.

Go outside and enjoy some nature or something. Get an RV and explore the nation and turn off the ****ing TV. Stop buying into this bullshit. You don't see a bunch of libtards like me and T.Lee in here calling for arms to take down "traitorous Republicans". Find some happiness in this world instead of posting the latest Ailes-Limbaugh-Hannity talking points at 5 o clock in the morning.

I really don't care if he's guilty or gets impeached or gets thrown out of office or isn't guilty or doesn't get impeached or doesn't get thrown out of office. The guy is a slimy [draft-dodging] scumbag selling you a steaming pile of **** wrapped up in a flour tortilla and telling you it's McDonald's. Y'all wanna go to war for that? Have fun with that. I'm gonna go camping in the beautiful mountains before Trump allows corporations to strip mine them and spending the holidays with my conservative family members that haven't lost their goddamn minds over trumped-up, deceitful bullshit.

Please don't shoot me while you and your motorcycle gang go hunting for the elusive Antifa. I don't feel like dying over a toupe-wearing uber-douche and his cabal of clowns.
My bad. Your daily "we're under siege by democrats that are shredding the constitution right in front of me and Trump is only guilty of being a poopy mouth and totally nothing else" followed by "I'm a military person, time to circle the wagons" left a heavy implication of making it seem like we've fallen way further than we actually have.



lol, yes, totally. I'm on the West Coast where all the scary Antifa have started their terrorist training camps. I figured Fox News filled you in on that?

I'm right smack dab in the heart of their presumed headquarters and yet I've never seen a single "Antifa" person....ever. Yet you and everyone else that watches Fox News thinks they're about to start an uprising in bumfuck Indiana and come violently steal your guns and taxes.



Ya don't say?!?!

Look dude, I'll leave it at this:

You have absolutely no leg to stand on for calling out all these people suffering from TDS because you are suffering from it just as much as those perceived opponents of yours. You literally post here twice a day about some new horseshit that you've read on foxnews.com and just take it as fact.

I get it. You think that by me writing this that I'm just having an emotional breakdown at the thought of Trump winning in 2020 or some other bullshit you've been told to believe.

My "outrage" has nothing to do with that and everything to do with my complete inability to understand how so many respectable, intelligent people in this country have been duped by the most blatantly obvious, dirtbag, sleezy con artist to have ever been given a microphone.

I mean, if you walked into a car dealership and Donald ****ing Trump was your sales guy, you would laugh in his ****ing face and walk out. If you got a job and Donald [draft-dodging] ****ing Trump was introduced as the president of the company, you would spend two and a half minutes with him and most likely think "holy ****, this guy is a ****ing moron, I should quit".

Yet you buy into every line espoused to you by the dumb ****s on Fox News and do the necessary mental gymnastics to continue to defend the dude at every turn. It's depressing because I know you're smarter than that.

Like I totally get if you support him because he benefits you financially and lets you keep your guns. That makes total sense. But then you go and do the song and dance about "oh well he didn't explicitly say this thing so he's totally not just implying what he's very obviously implying" and "oh god, the communist antifa are coming to violently suppress my free speech!". Why even pretend?

I'm an upper middle class high-earning white DINK family and his dipshittery will 100% benefit me in more ways than one. The only way I could conceivably benefit more is if I was an entrepreneur. I'm just not so dense to be completely blind to his ****ery.

Feel free to tell me my opinions are only given to me by the talking heads on CNN or MSNBC or whatever the **** the assigned quote of the day is, but the truth is, the only reason I have a television is to watch scifi shows and the only information I use to form an opinion on Trump is his own history, words, and actions. I'm not forming my opinions based on the "LaMeStReAm LiBeRaL mEdIa": have you ever read a tweet from Trump or listened to a speech of his? Dear god, I become stupider by the second hearing him talk and my brain cells get vaporized trying to read the **** that he says because it's so ****ing moronic.

Do you honestly listen to him and go "man, this guys got some great ideas!"??

That blows my ****ing mind and it saddens me that so many smart people have tossed aside all critical thinking skills they developed over their life and been conned over by this born-with-a-silver-spoon-fed manbaby.

Anyway, have fun. I'm sure he'll get reelected in 2020 and he'll singlehandedly wipe out the scary Antifa (whose numbers are so vast, that the only group that outweighs them are literal born-by-german-blood Nazis *eyeroll*) just like he did Al Qaeda. I look forward to an additional four years of complete mental retardation across the nation then maybe we can really get the brain smoothed out with an Ivanka or Jared in the White House after the McDonald's finally takes its toll on the old bastard.

I'm out. Too much fun for one year.

Enjoy your daily blog posts to help fill us in on the latest Fox News (oh wait, we mean "entertainment") opinion piece. T.Lee, I don't know why you even bother. ****, I don't even know why I bothered this morning - apparently I had too relaxing of a weekend.

Hopefully those post were read with an open mind not the usual defense and blow it off bc it is right on target dead center! True I don’t know why I bother but personally it seems like a way to entertain my boredom here and there. It is all weird to see the twisting and bending to justify some of the crap and the way some try to water some of it down.

I hope some of these individuals are not 100% fooled by some of this crap. I try to write some of it off as pure party loyalist which is sad to see and willful ignorance here and there. I just hope that some have not intentionally and unintentionally shoved their heads that far up their asses or the parties ass that they are sold on all of the b.s. that is peddled and spewed out in rally type speeches that say too much of nothing. Just self bloviating and the same old elementary style repeated lines. Interesting to see it though.
 

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Dang Eagle ... you really got under that guy's skin. I was an early Cruz supporter too. Trump wasn't my first pick - still he's 1000x better than Hillary (OMG! Can you imagine what that would have been like?)

I'm learning the divide here simply isn't bridgeable. It's just impossible to square leftist ideologies with the possibility Trump supporters aren't racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, rednecks and idiots - plus we're all on a collective rampage to toxify the earth, oppress the poor and hoard ammunition.
 

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Hopefully you and everyone else(but since you singled this out) was more than highly offended by the then candidate now current President direct insults and comments towards the late John McCain.

If there wasn’t and isn’t that same or more offense taken from that then that’s dancing on selective outrage on a matter like this one like it depends on who it’s coming from then it’s a situation of “how dare he”.
I'm not a big fan of John McCain. He is not honorable. Look up some of the things he did as a POW in Vietnam.
 

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I did not mean to get under anyone's skin. But you are correct there is a great divide. The funny thing is everything that they are accusing me of they are doing themselves. They are correct in that Trump is not a likeable person. But not being likeable isn't a crime and their hatred of Trump is off the map.

Democrats have been yelling impeachment since he took office. They are hunting for something to justify it. They are sure that if they dig deep enough they will find something. Most, like Schiff, exaggerate things so much its difficult to even tell if a crime has been committed. I don't think they have any evidence of one but who knows they may find something.

I liked the one guy's comment. Congress is suppose to oversee the government. If they would call the inquiry oversight instead of impeachment then they would be more correct but that wouldn't satisfy the base. They want the House to vote for impeachment even though they know the Senate will never convict. Yes, the IG said the report was credible based upon the discussion with a couple of unnamed politicians but independent investigations are punching holes in the complaint. There isn't any way two-thirds of the Senate will vote to convict on flimsy hearsay evidence.

A more logical plan is to keep this in the news as long as they can hoping the tide will turn and voters will vote him out of office in 2020. That is exactly what I think they are doing. Some think that will backfire. I have no idea whats going to happen. But I am absolutely certain a discussion on Mustang Forums will have no impact whatsoever.
 

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I'm not a big fan of John McCain. He is not honorable. Look up some of the things he did as a POW in Vietnam.
Okay gotcha. And nah Mike Eagle hasn’t gotten under anyone’s skin if one looks beyond the tunnel that can be seen in the statements over time. It’s just weird imo borderline sad to see the major shift and blinders that a few ppl have put on since this guy has been named the candidate and more so after he took office.

Imo Eagle hasn’t said a thing to really get under ones skin. It’s some of the stuff was expected from some old players who use to frequent this section and still pop in from time to time but it seems as some of those extreme type defense by any means even in the face of wrongdoing that some who use to not seem that way are now just going along with it.

Even saying that can be a waste of time though bc some may say “well give me some examples of this blindness”. That and some other questions are laughable at the same time it isn’t funny. Imo it seems as if it was a mistake to expect more from some who just rolls along with some of this mess and defends it by any means knowing they wouldn’t accept half of various things and statements from past and possible future presidents.

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Yes. I don't care much for President Trump. He is an obnoxious human being. I've said that many times.

I sometimes disagreed with John McCain's policies. But I would never have questioned his integrity.
I'm not a big fan of John McCain. He is not honorable. Look up some of the things he did as a POW in Vietnam.

I was just saying hopefully some took the same offense to John McCain being insulted by the President for obvious and stated reasons.

So you not being a fan of his Woodman and saying he isn’t honorable should be more so directed towards the quoted statements above.
 

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A more logical plan is to keep this in the news as long as they can hoping the tide will turn and voters will vote him out of office in 2020. That is exactly what I think they are doing. Some think that will backfire. I have no idea whats going to happen. But I am absolutely certain a discussion on Mustang Forums will have no impact whatsoever.
That's exactly how I feel. The anti-Trump hysteria is largely manufactured for political effect - it must be! Though I am no fan of Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Nadler, etc. ... they are certainly very intelligent people. It just isn't possible they REALLY believe the shut-out narratives they espouse. Smart people recognize shades of gray and reasonable perspectives. Every event shouldn't metastasize into a national tumor. Common sense tells me, that's a show. That's performance arts.
 

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I realize that if an individual is running for office some believe they should be immune from prosecution... not only prosecution but any investigation. I don't believe that. I hope others don't as well. And, I hope the Senate committee which was briefed on this is verifying everything. I'm tired of rumors and hearsay being reported and acted upon as if they are fact.

Apparently details of Giuliani's interview with the fired Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Bush's son have been turned over to aides of the Senate Committee by the IG. He said he was fired. Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin... claimed that his “investigations stopped out of fear of the United States.”

"Shokin, at the time, according to the interview, was investigating Mykola Zlochevsky, the former minister of ecology and natural resources of Ukraine — also the founder of Burisma. Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of the firm, which Shokin claimed was an appointment made by Zlochevsky “in order to protect himself.” '

“There were requests for information on Hunter Biden to which nothing was received,” Shokin said, according to the notes. “It is believed that Hunter Biden receives a salary, commission plus one million dollars. There were no documents or information on Hunter Biden, and Mr. Shokin stated he was warned to stop by Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt.”

The notes add that “President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told Mr. Shokin not to investigate Burisma as it was not in the interest of Joe and/or Hunter Biden. Mr. Shokin was called into Mr. Poroshenko’s office and told that the investigation into Burisma and the Managing Director where Hunter Biden is on the board, has caused Joe Biden to hold up one billion dollars in U.S. aid to Ukraine.”

Shokin then told Giuliani, according to the notes, that “in or around April of 2016” Poroshenko “told him he had to be fired as the aid to the Ukraine was being withheld by Joe Biden.”

This was also reported in the New York Post. They added that the replacement prosecutor found no wrong doing. Was that finding due to US pressure or the facts? The new Ukrainian President was elected to get rid of corruption in their government.
 

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The unnamed whistleblower apparently went to Schiff's staff before submitting the whistleblower complaint. The previous whistleblower form required direct knowledge. The whistleblower didn't have any direct knowledge so the form was changed just days before the complaint was filed. The IG said two politicians verified that the complaint was credible (Schiff's staff?). Originally the complaint was classified top secret. After it was declassified and published many who read it suggested it had been written by lawyers (Schiff's staff?). Independent investigations have already shot several holes in the complaint about Trump's phone call.

The transcript of Trump's phone call between two heads of state was originally classified secret. As it turns out many of Obama's calls were also classified. It and the complaint were kept in classified safes according to the law. Democrats went crazy over this. Democrats were saying that keeping top secret and secret information in a classified safe was hiding it. This complaint is unbelievable. Nothing but hot air. But their lackeys in the media made sure it got 24 hour coverage.

What also got 24 hour coverage was Schiff's complaint that the justice department didn't turn over the complaint in 10 days. It wasn't hidden from him. His staff knew about it the entire time. That is how he knew it had been over 10 days.

Once Trump's transcript was declassified, released and published we discovered there wasn't anything there. Democrats screamed about a mafia style coercion. No one else could see it. It was inferred from the order of subjects discussed. Inferred by people who want to believe. The Ukrainian president went on the record several times (some were televised) saying there was no coercion but Democrats didn't care. Coercion, even imagined coercion, would satisfy their base for impeachment. Speaker of the House Pelosi started the impeachment inquiry before she had even seen the declassified transcript. That makes absolutely no sense. But the screams for impeachment from her base was getting too loud to ignore. She might even loose her job as Speaker.

Democrats have been screaming impeachment since the first day Trump took office. All they needed was a reason and they have been looking hard to find one. First the Mueller report which turned out to be nothing. Now the transcript which also turns out to be nothing. They know that if they look hard enough they can find something. After all, Democrats believe impeachment is a political process. Even though the Constitution says "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" they think just not liking the guy and his policies is enough.

It is true that Trump is not likeable and his conservative policies are their enemy. He has nominated two Supreme Court justices. The Democrats and their media friends immediately attacked the nominees. In spite of that the Senate confirmed both. What has really impacted the liberal left is that he has nominated with the Senate confirming enough ninth district court judges to move the ninth district court (California and several other states) more to the center. This was the court Democrats counted on to push through their liberal agendas. They can count on it no more. That is enough to make them mad but... there may be one more Supreme Court opening in the future. They can't stand the idea of another conservative justice who believes in the original meaning of the Constitution.

I have no idea where this is going in the future. The House may vote for impeachment but the Senate will not convict on such flimsy evidence. Democrats know that. I believe all of this is an attempt to affect the outcome of the next election. We will just have to wait and see. That election is more than a year away. A lot more is coming.

P.S. I have been retired from my full-time job (CFO of a manufacturing company) almost 10 years yet I still get up at 5:30 every morning. I retired from teaching (adjunct professor of accounting) last December. I had been teaching college classes for over 20 years. (Yes there is an overlap. I often worked two jobs at the same time.) Being retired I have plenty of time to work with my horses, ride my motorcycle, take walks with my dogs and still post thoughts on here a couple of times a day. I've been up an hour and its still dark outside. I don't care much for this time of year. Winter is coming.
 

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I realize that if an individual is running for office some believe they should be immune from prosecution... not only prosecution but any investigation. I don't believe that. I hope others don't as well. And, I hope the Senate committee which was briefed on this is verifying everything. I'm tired of rumors and hearsay being reported and acted upon as if they are fact.

Apparently details of Giuliani's interview with the fired Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Bush's son have been turned over to aides of the Senate Committee by the IG. He said he was fired. Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin... claimed that his “investigations stopped out of fear of the United States.”

"Shokin, at the time, according to the interview, was investigating Mykola Zlochevsky, the former minister of ecology and natural resources of Ukraine — also the founder of Burisma. Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of the firm, which Shokin claimed was an appointment made by Zlochevsky “in order to protect himself.” '

“There were requests for information on Hunter Biden to which nothing was received,” Shokin said, according to the notes. “It is believed that Hunter Biden receives a salary, commission plus one million dollars. There were no documents or information on Hunter Biden, and Mr. Shokin stated he was warned to stop by Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt.”

The notes add that “President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told Mr. Shokin not to investigate Burisma as it was not in the interest of Joe and/or Hunter Biden. Mr. Shokin was called into Mr. Poroshenko’s office and told that the investigation into Burisma and the Managing Director where Hunter Biden is on the board, has caused Joe Biden to hold up one billion dollars in U.S. aid to Ukraine.”

Shokin then told Giuliani, according to the notes, that “in or around April of 2016” Poroshenko “told him he had to be fired as the aid to the Ukraine was being withheld by Joe Biden.”

This was also reported in the New York Post. They added that the replacement prosecutor found no wrong doing. Was that finding due to US pressure or the facts? The new Ukrainian President was elected to get rid of corruption in their government.
> [single paragraph attempting to convince self of objectivity]

> [two multi-paragraph posts repeating near-verbatim talking points handed out by right wing talking heads]

I know you're going to respond with something about how you read the documents yourself and blah blah blah. But your analysis is lock step to the thousandth decimal place with the narratives being pushed hard to defend innocent Trump.

You've got the TDS as bad as anyone my friend.
 

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But your analysis is lock step to the thousandth decimal place with the narratives being pushed hard to defend innocent Trump.
Really? Perhaps the reason everyone is saying the same thing is because that is what happened. If not then please explain what part of my post is wrong.

I suppose I am defending him but I don't think of it that way. I'm merely pointing out that there is nothing to convict him on.
 

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Perhaps the reason everyone is saying the same thing is because that is what happened.
That could easily be said to justify what Democrats are putting forth as well, eh?

I suppose I am defending him but I don't think of it that way. I'm merely pointing out that there is nothing to convict him on.
I'm merely pointing out that that is your opinion based on analysis you specifically seek out to satisfy your existing biases and that you're doing precisely the same thing you chastise others for doing but are not even willing to see it. You're just surrounded by supporters here in your "safe space" [and likely whatever other bubbles you run inside of] reinforcing your biases with their own agreements.

69Fastback offhandedly labeling me a hypocrite is fun and all but at least I possess the capacity to recognize it and admit to my bias and shortcomings in the lens I view this **** in and make sure I expose myself to the viewpoints of people that disagree with my own, as can be seen by my activity on this very subforum for the past seven years.

But I'm assuming the type of people that frequent a car forum will continue to see me question people's inability to admit to their own biases and assume that I would, in accordance to that questioning, defend the wrongdoings of Democrats to the death or that my username isn't purposely ironic based on this hilarious phenomenon. Ah well!

Hell, conservatives love bitching about the liberal "snowflakes" but there's this weird and comedic irony in the fragility of so many of their egos and it's depressing to know that that ego of theirs will never let them admit any fault. The unwavering protection of that ego is quite literally wired into the brain of the conservative philosophy and to be honest, that arrogance is my issue with politics; not Trump. Trump is simply the encapsulation and embodiment of all the symptoms of that philosophy: arrogance, greed, prideful ignorance, and fear.

Democrat politicians are mostly ****. But at least the clock ticks a few seconds further towards the future with their political philosophy. Conservatives have their purpose in keeping things in check, but buddy, right now, if that's defined by the man Donald Trump, that's some sad goddamned ****.
 

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I'm merely pointing out that that is your opinion based on analysis you specifically seek out to satisfy your existing biases and that you're doing precisely the same thing you chastise others for doing but are not even willing to see it. You're just surrounded by supporters here in your "safe space" [and likely whatever other bubbles you run inside of] reinforcing your biases with their own agreements.
I may not be succeeding but I'm trying to separate facts from opinions, speculations, rumors and hearsay evidence which may or may not be true. By the way, with today's media where opinion pieces are given the same weight as facts this is hard to do. If I have stated a fact that is wrong please correct me but I ask that you reference your source because I know you are having as hard a time separating facts from the other stuff as I am.
 

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I know you are having as hard a time separating facts from the other stuff as I am.
Absolutely. Which is why you haven't seen me making posts claiming that Trump is 100% guilty of colluding with Russia, or blackmailing foreign intelligence agencies to dig up dirt on political opponents, or defending Biden, or defending some other Trump target. What you have seen is me simply responding to your judgments because it drives me insane when people, liberal or conservative, speak in near absolutes or with authority as if their **** don't stink. Because even though I have my desires of what I want to happen, I also exist in reality where I can recognize that things tend to be a bit more ****y and don't go my way. So I'll wait to see how specific scenarios end up before stating I'm certain something is factually correct or not.

As I said, including policy or not, Trump's character and history before his candidacy speaks volumes as to what his intent is as president of this country. I've said it a hundred times already: I don't need someone on the news to tell me what to believe when the man's own mouth and actions tell me the majority of what I need to know to make a judgement.

I already disagree with the modern GOP ideology in multiple regards, so you're damn right the hypocrisy of the "party of law & order, morals, and family values" supporting that scumbag pisses me off. It's just undeniable proof that a large amount of Republican voters have very few principles beyond "ends justifying the means".

I know he's not going to get kicked out of office. As you said, the senate will never let that happen.

But **** it, the GOP is seeing this presidency as payback for Obama where they spent eight years throwing wrenches into every little thing he tried to implement. And don't try to tell me they were trying to compromise and Obama just wasn't letting up. From day one of his presidency, the GOP congress stated in plain text to the entire country's face that they were going to prevent him from getting anything accomplished.

They took their gloves off and danced the fine line of the definition of the law utilizing every loophole possible to **** up the political precedence and processes established up to that point.

If the GOP gets to play dirty without repercussion or accountability, I'm more than fine with Democrats evening the playing field and dragging this **** through the 2020 election to swing it their direction. It's straight out of the GOP playbook. Perhaps y'all remember the Benghazi investigations and all the tax payer money and time spent on them that ultimately led to _____________??? Or the investigation into the private email server that led to ___________??? (by the way, by your very own definition, these are facts, not me defending Clinton, unless you have a source showing that she was convicted of anything from the aforementioned cases)

They piled 'em up and it likely cost Clinton the presidency, as can be seen by the not-landslide (even though Trump painted it as such) election results (albeit, I'll happily admit she was not a good choice for front-runner anyway, strategy-wise).

So I'm all aboard piling up Trump's real, potential, or likely wrongdoings if it costs him the presidency. Good chance it'll backfire? Definitely. But I don't think we have much to lose.

Trump is a conman and if it was any more clear, it would be tattooed on his damn forehead. If conservative voters can't see it, that ain't my problem. But I'll happily do what I can to continue to point out the absurdity and hypocrisy of it all and I'll happily vote for a stale, wet noodle to remove that man from being the primary representative of our country and away from highest political office on the planet. Because I'm 100% certain a stale, wet noodle will have more tact, ethics, civility, morality, and yes, believe it or not, respect and understanding of our Constitution than that corrupt piece of garbage that currently occupies the office.

The rest of you can keep doing the Rudy Giuliani dance and pretend that it's normal and justifies his behavior:
“I’m not saying Trump never did anything wrong,” he added, according to the Post, “but there are other people who did things wrong, too.”
 

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Guess I lied - I'm posting this. Be sure to read the document carefully.


Text messages between US diplomats and Ukrainians released by House Democrats

[7/25/ 19, 8:36:45 Kurt Volker: Good lunch - thanks. Heard from White House assuming President convinces trump he will investigate ?get to the
bottom of what happened? in 2016, we will nail down date for Visit to
Washington. Good luck! See you tomorrow- kurt
19, 5: 35:53 Gordon Sondland: Morrison ready to get dates as soon as Yermak confrms.

[8/9/19, 5: 46:21 Kurt Volker: Excellenttl How did you sway him?

19, 5: 47:34 Gordon Sondland: Not sure i did. I think potus really wants
the deliverable


[8/9/19, 5: 48:00 Kurt Volker: But does he know that?
[8/9/19, 5: 48:09 Gordon Sondland: Yep
[8/9/19, 5: 48:37 Gordon Sondland: Clearly lots of convos going on

19, 5:48:38 Kurt Volker: Ok then that's good it's coming from two
separate sources

[8/9/19, 5: 51:18 Gordon Sondland: To avoid misundestandings, might be
helpful to ask Andrey for a draft statememt (embargoed) so that we can see
exactly what they propose to cover. Even though Ze does a live presser they can
still summarize in a brief statement. Thoughts?

[8/9/19, 5: 51:42 Kurt Volker: Agree!
ruh roh raggy!



1/ 19, 12:08:57 Bill Taylor: Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?

[9/1/19, 12:42:29 Gordon Sondland: Call me
19, 12:31 :06 Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

[9/9/19, 12:34:44 Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this
interview, Gordon.

[9/9/19, 12:37:16 Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was "right". I said
we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Lets hope it works.

[9/9/19, 12:47:11 Bill Taylor: As 1 said on the phone, I think it's crazy to
withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.


19, 5:19:35 Gordon Sondland: Bill, Ibelieve you are incorrect about
President Trump's intentions. The President has been clear no quid pro
quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or a call to discuss them directly.
Thanks.
aka "oh **** someone's probably going to subpoena these text messages...ummm...AS HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY STATED THIS ENTIRE TIME, POTUS NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT QUID PRO QUO WINK WINK...****!"
 

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Sounds like Trump is trying to distance himself from the text exchange. I’m sure the WH press secretary will get up there to the podium and answer any and all questions to get a slight resolution to some of these matters. Lol...
 

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I will say this once more. The guy I wanted was Rubio. When he dropped out I supported Cruz. The only reason I voted for Trump is he was better than the alternative. I still don't care much for him. That said. He is also a better option than any of the socialists running on the Democrat ticket. If the parties ran better candidates we wouldn't be forced to choose between the lessor of two evils.
This is a cop out of epic proportions. You voted for him so you, along with all the other Trump supporters, share in the blood on their hands for the decision the man you decided would be best to run this country has made. You can't have it both ways.

What you are saying is you prefer a self dealing, treasonous asshole to someone that may try and implement medicare for all.....truly mindblowing…..

This idiocy of labeling all liberals as socialist is as inane as liberals labeling all Republicans as racist yet your current statement says it all. You and all your minion are so far up Trumps ass the oxygen must be getting thin because your thoughts are bordering on lunacy just like the guy you support.

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Sounds like Trump is trying to distance himself from the text exchange. I’m sure the WH press secretary will get up there to the podium and answer any and all questions to get a slight resolution to some of these matters. Lol...

Well how about that it’s been a hot minute but now there is a press conference going on in the briefing room.

And out of all locations, buildings, venues etc... here in the states I guess they have narrowed it down to hosting te G7 Summit at a Trump resort in Miami.
 

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Well how about that it’s been a hot minute but now there is a press conference going on in the briefing room.

And out of all locations, buildings, venues etc... here in the states I guess they have narrowed it down to hosting te G7 Summit at a Trump resort in Miami.
Right? No emoluments issues here to see...…..

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 7

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

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