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At first it seemed absurd, but I'm warming-up to the idea of Donald Trump as President. I love that he practically spits on the PC Police. Every time he says something off-color or insulting, the media flops and flails – outraged – grimacing like they're all locked in a car with a bad fart. Better still, after Trump makes a gaffe, the media acts like they have “finally caught him.” And when they rush to confront him, Trump basically says, “Yeah, I said that. If you don't like it, you can go suck a dick.”

Personally, I think it's fantastic. He simply isn't allowing the media to intimidate him. He really doesn't care about the PC Police. He practically mocks them – and I'm REALLY starting to like that. Frankly, I'm completely sick of hearing every official recite those polished talking points anyway. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not that fragile. I don't need my leaders to sanitize every sentence for public consumption. I love it that Trump just says whatever he's thinking, right or wrong. And you know … I generally agree with Trump, politically.

I also think he's deceptively brilliant. While the media is busy squealing about how Trump insulted Latinos, or veterans, or whatever group has had their delicate sensibilities assaulted … guess what they're NOT talking about?....THE OTHER CANDIDATES. The attention, ultimately, remains on Donald Trump … and that's Publicity 101. Good or bad – if people are talking about you – they're NOT talking about your competition. Smart.

... and the debates should be a hoot!
 

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I think he is a very smart businessman, even though he has had 4 bankrupt filings. He is probably not going to run for president again, since he will probably not get this much attention if he runs for president again and he will go all out this time voicing his opinion every chance he gets.

I think he will pay for his whole campaign himself if he gets the presidential nomination, because he knows that people will like that and he will makes tons of money off his casinos, hotels, and golf courses from people who support him. He has the national spotlight for at least another year to promote his Trump brand and he has a opportunity for all the free advertising to make sure all his businesses will profit for a very long time.

I like him better than any other republican and we have until July 2016 before they nominate for president, so we will see if he can stay on top of the polls. If he doesn't get the nomination at least he will make the debates good and force the other Republicans to improve on being a better candidate since he will call them out without worrying about the consequences.
 

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I've been keeping an eye on him.

He says things how they are, rather than hide behind the interests of lobbyists and interest groups, and can prove anything that anyone challenges him on about his statements.

He may not have the best approach to wording his speeches (Obama was great at it, and see where that landed us?), but the points he make are very valid. We need to stop letting illegals sneak into our country, we need to boost our economy, and reinvent our healthcare act.

In short, he has my vote until someone better comes along. Its about time someone ran for president who isn't bought.
 

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I love how the guy says things with keeping PC in mind. He reminds me of.....me. Lol

His comments on the illegals coming over weren't entirely wrong, and it's pretty well BS how the networks dropped him over it. BUT, These things don't mean he'd be a good president, and I wouldn't vote for him. What's bad, is he's taking the votes away from anyone who would be a good republican candidate (oh wait.....there hasn't been one of those in several elections), and it's going to end up putting another Clinton in the whitehouse. Yep, we are ****ed.
 

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he seems like a douchebag and i don't know if i could bare to have a 5 minute conversation with him face to face, but with that being said, i think he might be the kind of person it will take to get the country back on track. you atleast know what you're getting upfront with him, and he seems to have enough integrity to not be made a puppet of the establishment like the current president. do i agree with everything he says? nope, but i have more faith in him than any of the other candidates. if i do vote, he's looking to be my guy right now, though he's likely to completely **** himself over by "offending" more people

something tells me the establishment would never let him in though
 

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I think he has struck a note with people who are really tired of political correctness and he touches on things that conservatives see as problems. I also think "The Donald" sees that the penniless Clintons have made millions selling favors.

He is also a loose cannon not because he ignores political correctness but because he shoots off his mouth without thinking. I saw the interview where he slammed McCain's service. It was apparent that he immediately tried to backpedal but he is not very good at it and now that the press is pushing for an apology he is too arrogant to budge. He actually does the opposite and doubles down on his ignorant comment. Are these really qualities you want in our next President? Can you imagine him doing that with other world leaders?
 

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I think we need a man like Trump if how he is acting isn't some smoke show. We need somebody with balls to get this Country back on track. We are the greatest nation in the world yet we lack a strong leader. I want to be proud of our President. I want somebody to drop the proverbial ****ing hammer. I want somebody that is going to look at radicals like ISIS who say death to Americans and say"**** You...Bring It" then send in our messengers of death to clean the ****ers up. America is the mixing bowl of good people from all races, if you can't get with the program like these race baiting pieces of ****, then get the hell out.
 

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He's not very politically correct, and that could cost him, BUT he is what this country needs right now. He's a true American that refuses to be bullied and has the tools to get things done.

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ANYONE over Hillary Clinton.
 

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I do enjoy his brashness. I don't really see how he could win this though. But I've been wrong plenty of times before. I'll just wait and see what my options are.
 

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Even though he does trample over all the PC crap, he's still quite a bit left on several issues (including gun control). He may be able to get the country back on track but in what direction?
 

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His comments on the illegals coming over weren't entirely wrong, and it's pretty well BS how the networks dropped him over it. BUT, These things don't mean he'd be a good president, and I wouldn't vote for him. What's bad, is he's taking the votes away from anyone who would be a good republican candidate (oh wait.....there hasn't been one of those in several elections), and it's going to end up putting another Clinton in the whitehouse. Yep, we are ****ed.
Suprisingly agree 100% with you for once.
 

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Typical people letting their emotions dictate their political standing instead of a person's credentials. All he's doing is pandering to what hardcore republicans want to hear - "he's a no BS, hard hitting, anti-political-correct guy saying it like it is". No, he's a disillusioned, detached bigot with no history that could show he could "turn this country around". Quit falling for the narrative that the United States is in a downward spiral and some superhero-conservative needs to come save the day.

Edit: mandatory not a liberal, do not support Hilary regardless of above statement. Simply a realist.
 

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Typical people letting their emotions dictate their political standing instead of a person's credentials. All he's doing is pandering to what hardcore republicans want to hear - "he's a no BS, hard hitting, anti-political-correct guy saying it like it is". No, he's a disillusioned, detached bigot with no history that could show he could "turn this country around". Quit falling for the narrative that the United States is in a downward spiral and some superhero-conservative needs to come save the day.

Edit: mandatory not a liberal, do not support Hilary regardless of above statement. Simply a realist.
How many politicians running have more accreditation than him? What sort of credentials are you referring to? Political affiliation? That's not really a credential.
 

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I decided to do a little more research on Trump. A comment he made about not being drafted didn't make sense. He's four years older than I am but he talks about having a high lottery number. The lottery didn't start until mid-1969. He and I were both under the draft board system.

He received a college deferment. Lots of people did so that is no big deal. He graduated college in 1968 the same year I graduated high school. When my friends were getting draft notices he managed to get an 18 month medical deferment for bone spurs which didn't stop him from playing college sports. That's like Bill Clinton getting a deferment for ROTC and then never attending. (I enlisted in the Air Force instead of waiting.)

And now like all the other draft dodgers he has the balls to say he would have served if called. I'm sure he would have. He just made sure he was never called. Now I'm waiting for the "I wish I would have served." or the "I regret not serving." statement that draft dodgers of my age sometimes make. Those statements really aggravate me. They could have enlisted.

I have no problems with those who were not called and did not serve. I have some problems with the cowards who manipulated the system to keep from serving. But it was pretty common so I don't say much unless they brag about it. I have problems with those that say they would have served or regret not serving. That is getting pretty close to stolen valor. I'm sure they would have been great soldiers but they chose not too. Why even say something like that? Guilt?

Maybe Trump's over the top and unnecessary comments about McCain are a result of a little guilt.
 

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Had this discussion earlier. The reason I think he has gained so much traction and notoriety is because everyone is sick of the political rethoric and bull **** that has become so common place in America. People are getting sick of the PC movement where you must sensor everything as to not offend grown adults with something so simple as "Pit bulls are ugly and can attack people." I realize that is not really something a politician will say, but say something as stupid and meaningless as that on social media and just watch how many people get offended and outraged by a stupid comment like that.

I don't think he would make that great of a President due to how he doesn't think before speaking. I realize that is part of his not giving a **** about PC, but I think he's a little TOO over the top with being willing to say anything. Especially about McCain's service record. However, it was in reaction to McCain calling his followerers "Crazies", so really, he just kind of proved he wasn't putting up with anyone's ****. However, he insulted a lot of Veterans in the process lol. But on the surface, who cares. He poked a little fun at McCain, this won't affect him in the least with people who were already set on voting for him. They know his eccentricities.

I personally think it's a good thing. Would I vote for him? I don't know, but if it was between him and Bernie or Hillary, hell yes I would. Whether you or I would vote for him or not does not take away from what he is doing though, and that is showing a lot of the GOP and other Politicians what people want. It's showing them people are tired of this political rhetoric where you say one thing and do the complete opposite. When we were kids we are told thats LYING, but when you're a politician they call it rhetoric.

One thing I do not like about it, but I am not surprised is how the spineless Hillary that has zero talking points is using it to her advantage by calling him a representation of the entire GOP and their thoughts. That's how it is hurting the GOP, but is it really? That's the same old song and dance people are getting tired of. A politician placing the blame and pointing the finger at everyone else instead of coming up with a solution, or a real statement. So really this could backfire for her for the swing voters. Obviously the hard core lefties really don't give a **** what her or Bernie have or currently done, they will still vote. They could cover up tens of thousands of emails, or a terrorist attack abroad, being caught in lie after lie and claim to know how the little person feels all while raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech. Oh wait, Hillary has done litterally all of those things? Yup, they still don't care.

Here's another way I look at it and some food for thought. So Trump doesn't have any experience in Foreign relations, no knowledge over Military manuvers and logistics, no experience in Nuclear programs and secret agencies. But, it's it really that big of a deal? In the real world a CEO doesn't know every job i, his business, the difference is that they hire experts in those areas to handle those sectors for them and report back with the data daily. Where politics differs is you have people who think they know everything about everything. Obama has been caught saying he can do every job better than every one of his employees. He has an ego the size of Texas and is not ashamed to show it. He clearly thinks there is no one better than himself at anything the government does. The difference here is a real leader admits they do not know everything, but as a collection of properly selected personel they know a lot more.

Why not allow the Generals, the guys who actual have made the Military their life run the Military and make the suggestions. Instead of some Ivy League moron with zero experience who thinks he knows everything. And the hundreds of other seats in Washington that have a say in how we conduct combat operations. Why in the hell would we allow a bunch of people thousands of miles away, many with zero to little Military experience be calling the shots.

I think it's time we get rid of the know everything, lobbying, lying, do nothing politicians we have now. Do I think Trump is that man? I'm not sure as of now, but I do think he's making a lot of people realize that the problem in Wasington, is Washington. Not Democrat, not Republican. All of them!
 

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How many politicians running have more accreditation than him? What sort of credentials are you referring to? Political affiliation? That's not really a credential.
Voting record, track record of anything "good" (the definition of "good" is an opinion so don't dive too deep into it) done. Literally, every politician has better credentials than he does. People talk about the no BS attitude of Trump - look at Bernie Sanders, he stands by his convictions and his huge record of voting decisions back that stance entirely - but he's a communist in a lot of people's eyes so him standing by his convictions is considered moot by the "other team".

Trump is not a "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type or even remotely fit to be president. He started his wealth by inheriting his father, Fred Trump's fortunes and connections who got his wealth from his father who was an immigrant that started his own business. All Trump has done is spend money on businesses/investments and in some cases bankrupted them all the while keeping his personal money completely separate so that it wouldn't have any negative effect on his wealth.

Just because you're a rich twat that has the "balls" to say whatever you want (give me a break, he has the balls because he's rich as **** and literally has no repercussion - you think he's blabbering off all this nonsense because he cares about this country? he doesn't give a ****, he's getting PR out the ass right now as you can see), doesn't mean you have what it takes to run this country. He would crumble as soon as he stepped into the White House and the CIA told him to sit the **** down and shut the **** up.
 
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