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That's a bunch of bullshit, "TRUMP HAS NO PLAN". Donald Trump, a successful Billionaire Businessman has NO PLAN. I am going to run for the most powerful position in the world and "HAVE NO PLAN". Does that make any sense? Quit believing the media.

The reason Government is so corrupt is because there is nobody watching the spending and where the money is going. I think anybody on here would have a difficult time providing proof that Trump can't handle money. Beyond that he doesn't care about the crooked government employees and organizations. He will send their asses packing. He is going to restructure money that is being wasted by the crooked pieces of ****. TRUMP is what we need.

As far as I'm concerned people need to start waking up. THE MAN DOES NOT LOSE.
Would you please give me some specifics. I would like to support him but every time I hear him speak I just want to ask 'where is the beef."

You have absolutely no idea what he stands for. I have studied this. I can't figure it out. But you have blind faith. Why? Because we are damn tired of political correctness. Damn tired. You and me both. But you really need to ask yourself. Besides the rhetoric what does he stand for.
 

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That's a bunch of bullshit, "TRUMP HAS NO PLAN". Donald Trump, a successful Billionaire Businessman has NO PLAN. I am going to run for the most powerful position in the world and "HAVE NO PLAN". Does that make any sense? Quit believing the media.

The reason Government is so corrupt is because there is nobody watching the spending and where the money is going. I think anybody on here would have a difficult time providing proof that Trump can't handle money. Beyond that he doesn't care about the crooked government employees and organizations. He will send their asses packing. He is going to restructure money that is being wasted by the crooked pieces of ****. TRUMP is what we need.

As far as I'm concerned people need to start waking up. THE MAN DOES NOT LOSE.
Listen to him, not just hear the words, but listen and understand. He doesn't have a plan, he has no substance. None. He is only empowering himself, because as you said, he doesn't lose.
 

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That's a bunch of bullshit, "TRUMP HAS NO PLAN". Donald Trump, a successful Billionaire Businessman has NO PLAN. I am going to run for the most powerful position in the world and "HAVE NO PLAN". Does that make any sense? Quit believing the media.
I don't believe the media. The media spout only progressive democratic stuff. I consider them my adversary. I am a conservative with strong libertarian leanings. My children are libertarians.

You say he must have a plan because he is running. But why in gods green earth is that a true statement?

He has no substance, no details. He says "Trust me, I'll make America great" and everyone believes him. Damn it. Everyone believed Obama's "Hope and Change." Think for yourself. Look at the details. People say they didn't know Obama would be this way but it was in his party platform. He had spoken about it before. He said he was influenced by his father who thought America was a colonial power, who thought America was the evil empire. People looked no deeper than the slogan "Hope and Change" and look what we got.

LOOK DEEPER!
 

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I disagree. I think you will see more and more of what his plans are as things move forward.

Please tell me what the other candidates "PLANS" are. Did Obama have a plan? Set plan or not like I said Donald Trump doesn't lose. He doesn't do things half assed and he wouldn't be scared to start chopping away the dead weight. The man isn't a failure. He doesn't have ties to people, he doesn't believe in the establishment. He is perfectly suited for the White House. With any candidate you have to have some faith, there are no guarantees. I see hope in Trump

The political train is worried about Trump and it's not because by think he will do a shitty job. That says a lot of me. I think there is a lot more to Donald Trump then people realize.

Beyond that for me being a cop I appreciate Trumps support of LEO. For ****s sake you have Sanders meeting with shitbag Sharpton.
 

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That's a bunch of bullshit, "TRUMP HAS NO PLAN". Donald Trump, a successful Billionaire Businessman has NO PLAN. I am going to run for the most powerful position in the world and "HAVE NO PLAN". Does that make any sense? Quit believing the media.

The reason Government is so corrupt is because there is nobody watching the spending and where the money is going. I think anybody on here would have a difficult time providing proof that Trump can't handle money. Beyond that he doesn't care about the crooked government employees and organizations. He will send their asses packing. He is going to restructure money that is being wasted by the crooked pieces of ****. TRUMP is what we need.

As far as I'm concerned people need to start waking up. THE MAN DOES NOT LOSE.
I hope in my heart you're right, but my brain fears you're wrong.

BTW, how many times has Trump bankrupted?
 

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I believe 4. If you read his explanation on why it makes sense. He used the laws in place to make money. Trump runs businesses like a mutual fund. You don't place all your eggs in one basket. You spread things out over many different businesses, industries and investments. If one goes wrong you have the others to offset it. If a business tanked he used the bankruptcy laws. Trump didn't declare bankruptcy because he was hurting for money, that's a fact.

I'm not trying to influence anybody on here one way or another. I will be the first to admit I am probably the most ignorant when it comes to political stuff on here. There's a lot of smart guys with well written posts. I try to keep stuff basic.

What I can say with confidence is that Trump is an over achiever, he's a winner, a perfectionist and he gets to the point. Those are the guys who excell as leaders. Whether or not Trump is running for personal reasons to fill his ego or he really cares about the country doesn't really matter in the end. He will give 110%. He doesn't need the money. Do you really think a man like him wants to leave the Legacy of being a failure as a President? I personally don't think it's ego. People pick him apart. He's a womanizer because he likes beautiful woman, well who the hell doesn't. His hair is made fun of regularly. He has enough money to get whatever type of hair he wants but he doesn't give a **** what people think. He is a billionaire rocking a god damn comb over. I work with more narcissistic guys then Trump lol.
 

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BTW, how many times has Trump bankrupted?
Zero!

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Assuming Trump gets the nomination, I think his VP pick may have more of an impact this cycle. We all understand Trump is a political rookie, and some of his ideas are too broad and far-fetched to be plausible. Nevertheless, he will come in guns blazing and try. So he's going to need somebody to help temper his yee-haws. A sensible VP pick might make a Trump presidency seem less volatile.

What do you guys think? Who? The name I've seen circulated is Susana Martinez (Gov. New Mexico).
 

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Trump doesn’t deny that four of his businesses have filed for bankruptcy. He argues, however, that filing for bankruptcy is a common business decision, and he was smart to make the moves when he did.

"Hundreds of companies" have filed for bankruptcy, Trump said earlier in the debate. "I used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job."

Trump’s four bankruptcies were Chapter 11 reorganizations (named for its location in federal bankruptcy code), which are designed to restructure businesses without shutting them down completely. The purpose is to "save" the business, as opposed to other forms of bankruptcy which would liquidate the company, said Michael Venditto, a partner at the ReedSmith law firm who has extensive experience with Chapter 11.

Because they keep coming up, we decided to outline Trump’s four bankruptcies. We also talked to some finance experts, who told us Trump is correct that Chapter 11 reorganization is not always the result of bad business decisions.

Bankruptcy 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances, according to news reports at the time. He funded the construction of the $1 billion Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened in 1990. By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 billion in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in personal liabilities, so the business decided to file for Chapter 11 reorganization, according to the New York Times. As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

Bankruptcy 2: Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992

Trump acquired the Plaza Hotel in New York for $390 million in 1988. By 1992, the hotel had accumulated $550 million in debt. As a result of the bankruptcy, in exchange for easier terms on which to pay off the debts, Trump relinquished a 49 percent stake in the Plaza to a total of six lenders, according to ABC News. Trump remained the hotel’s CEO, but it was merely a gesture -- he didn’t earn a salary and had no say in the hotel’s day-to-day operations, according to the New York Times.

Bankruptcy 3: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004 when his casinos -- including the Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Marina and Trump Plaza casinos in Atlantic City and a riverboat casino in Indiana -- had accrued an estimated $1.8 billion in debt, according to the Associated Press. Trump agreed to reduce his share in the company from 47 to 27 percent in a restructuring plan, but he was still the company’s largest single shareholder and remained in charge of its operations. Trump told the Associated Press at the time that the company represented less than 1 percent of his net worth.

Bankruptcy 4: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

Trump Entertainment Resorts -- formerly Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts -- was hit hard by the 2008 economic recession and missed a $53.1 million bond interest payment in December 2008, according to ABC News. After debating with the company’s board of directors, Trump resigned as the company’s chairman and had his corporate stake in the company reduced to 10 percent. The company continued to use Trump’s name in licensing.
 

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Assuming Trump gets the nomination, I think his VP pick may have more of an impact this cycle. We all understand Trump is a political rookie, and some of his ideas are too broad and far-fetched to be plausible. Nevertheless, he will come in guns blazing and try. So he's going to need somebody to help temper his yee-haws. A sensible VP pick might make a Trump presidency seem less volatile.

What do you guys think? Who? The name I've seen circulated is Susana Martinez (Gov. New Mexico).
As long as its not Dick Cheney.
 

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I disagree. I think you will see more and more of what his plans are as things move forward.

Please tell me what the other candidates "PLANS" are. Did Obama have a plan?
Yes, yes he did have a plan. He laid it out very distinctly in his voting record and his speeches. He planned on expanded gun control, he planned on raising fuel pricing significantly, he planned on a universal health care structure. His voting record screamed it all, but no one wanted to listen because they didn't want to read up, they just wanted to believe. Once again, look up Trump's past. He's no Republican, he's no super intelligent person, he's the guy that has the money to pay others to do the hard work, and is primarily a figurehead.

Set plan or not like I said Donald Trump doesn't lose. He doesn't do things half assed and he wouldn't be scared to start chopping away the dead weight. The man isn't a failure. He doesn't have ties to people,
Yes he does. He has a long history with the Clintons. Look it up.
he doesn't believe in the establishment. He is perfectly suited for the White House. With any candidate you have to have some faith, there are no guarantees. I see hope in Trump

The political train is worried about Trump and it's not because by think he will do a shitty job
Actually, yes it is because they think he'll do a shitty job
. That says a lot of me. I think there is a lot more to Donald Trump then people realize.
There is, that's what we're telling you!
Beyond that for me being a cop I appreciate Trumps support of LEO. For ****s sake you have Sanders meeting with shitbag Sharpton.
I find it amusing that Sanders, who wants to tax everyone to the breaking point AND punish those who avoid taxes is associating with someone who owes MILLIONS in unpaid taxes.

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I believe 4. If you read his explanation on why it makes sense. He used the laws in place to make money. Trump runs businesses like a mutual fund. You don't place all your eggs in one basket. You spread things out over many different businesses, industries and investments. If one goes wrong you have the others to offset it. If a business tanked he used the bankruptcy laws. Trump didn't declare bankruptcy because he was hurting for money, that's a fact.

I'm not trying to influence anybody on here one way or another. I will be the first to admit I am probably the most ignorant when it comes to political stuff on here. There's a lot of smart guys with well written posts. I try to keep stuff basic.

What I can say with confidence is that Trump is an over achiever, he's a winner, a perfectionist and he gets to the point. Those are the guys who excell as leaders. Whether or not Trump is running for personal reasons to fill his ego or he really cares about the country doesn't really matter in the end. He will give 110%. He doesn't need the money. Do you really think a man like him wants to leave the Legacy of being a failure as a President? I personally don't think it's ego. People pick him apart. He's a womanizer because he likes beautiful woman, well who the hell doesn't. His hair is made fun of regularly. He has enough money to get whatever type of hair he wants but he doesn't give a **** what people think. He is a billionaire rocking a god damn comb over. I work with more narcissistic guys then Trump lol.
He's in it to give Clinton the push she needs to win.

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Zero!

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Assuming Trump gets the nomination, I think his VP pick may have more of an impact this cycle. We all understand Trump is a political rookie, and some of his ideas are too broad and far-fetched to be plausible. Nevertheless, he will come in guns blazing and try. So he's going to need somebody to help temper his yee-haws. A sensible VP pick might make a Trump presidency seem less volatile.

What do you guys think? Who? The name I've seen circulated is Susana Martinez (Gov. New Mexico).
Hoping it isn't Palin. She's not the fool people make her out to be, but she is every bit as polarizing as Trump is.

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Trump doesn’t deny that four of his businesses have filed for bankruptcy. He argues, however, that filing for bankruptcy is a common business decision, and he was smart to make the moves when he did.

"Hundreds of companies" have filed for bankruptcy, Trump said earlier in the debate. "I used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job."

Trump’s four bankruptcies were Chapter 11 reorganizations (named for its location in federal bankruptcy code), which are designed to restructure businesses without shutting them down completely. The purpose is to "save" the business, as opposed to other forms of bankruptcy which would liquidate the company, said Michael Venditto, a partner at the ReedSmith law firm who has extensive experience with Chapter 11.

Because they keep coming up, we decided to outline Trump’s four bankruptcies. We also talked to some finance experts, who told us Trump is correct that Chapter 11 reorganization is not always the result of bad business decisions.

Bankruptcy 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances, according to news reports at the time. He funded the construction of the $1 billion Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened in 1990. By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 billion in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in personal liabilities, so the business decided to file for Chapter 11 reorganization, according to the New York Times. As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

Bankruptcy 2: Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992

Trump acquired the Plaza Hotel in New York for $390 million in 1988. By 1992, the hotel had accumulated $550 million in debt. As a result of the bankruptcy, in exchange for easier terms on which to pay off the debts, Trump relinquished a 49 percent stake in the Plaza to a total of six lenders, according to ABC News. Trump remained the hotel’s CEO, but it was merely a gesture -- he didn’t earn a salary and had no say in the hotel’s day-to-day operations, according to the New York Times.

Bankruptcy 3: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004 when his casinos -- including the Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Marina and Trump Plaza casinos in Atlantic City and a riverboat casino in Indiana -- had accrued an estimated $1.8 billion in debt, according to the Associated Press. Trump agreed to reduce his share in the company from 47 to 27 percent in a restructuring plan, but he was still the company’s largest single shareholder and remained in charge of its operations. Trump told the Associated Press at the time that the company represented less than 1 percent of his net worth.

Bankruptcy 4: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

Trump Entertainment Resorts -- formerly Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts -- was hit hard by the 2008 economic recession and missed a $53.1 million bond interest payment in December 2008, according to ABC News. After debating with the company’s board of directors, Trump resigned as the company’s chairman and had his corporate stake in the company reduced to 10 percent. The company continued to use Trump’s name in licensing.
Moral of the story, Trump can't run hotels/casinos.
 

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Dude, you've done your homework as I have. I've been trying to show people this **** about Trump, but they're so angry at the two parties and the establishment, that they're blinded by Trump's blithering rhetoric and the fact that they believe he is an outsider and will be anti-establishment.

Folks, Trump carries the same Progressive policies as the left. Universal Healthcare, too. You're going to suffer the consequences if he wins.

God help us if he wins... :(
 

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If he wins, I think I'll vomit upon his inauguration. Seriously.

Another damn elitist, from the wealthy class, a crony-capitalist, and with a known history of being a progressive.

He has the same Progressive Democrat mindset as Obama and the rest on Universal Healthcare alone, and with $19+ Trillion in debt, he says Govt will pay for it. WTF? Govt can't afford it and neither can the tax payers. Working class folks are paying for the other two classes and we're about to the breaking point. Enough is enough!

How anyone would think he is going to "Make American Great Again" campaigning on some of the same old failed policies of the outgoing administration -- just boggles my mind. :headscratcher:
 

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We will have to see what the people on a whole say come election time. I don't believe anything I read negative about candidates unless it has substance or first hand witnesses. It is sad how corrupt this country is. There is really no basic right and wrong.

We could take a group of 1000 people and I tell the first guy I have a Fox Mustang so he can pass it to the next guy. By the time we get to the 1000th person I am gay with genital warts.

If I was voting for Clinton and people came on hear and talked about Benghazi or her husbands lying about his affair with an intern, there is hard proof.

Nobody has any hard proof to influence me on not voting for Trump. The only thing they have is saying he has bad hair, he is a bigot, a narcissist, and Whoopie Goldberg doesn't like him.
 

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Nobody has any hard proof to influence me on not voting for Trump.
And no one has given me a single iota of hard proof or influence to vote for Trump.

It's really funny to me that so many people think he's anti-establishment. That's hilarious. Just because he isn't a politician, doesn't mean he isn't part of the establishment. Considering the fact that his net worth begins with a 'b', and how much money he's donated to political campaigns, and to whom, he is absolutely 100% part of the elite, mega-rich, mega-powerful establishment that doesn't give a rat's ass about the everyday average American.

People who voted for Obama in 2008 proved how ignorant the left was. People voting for Trump now is showing how ignorant the right is.
 

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And no one has given me a single iota of hard proof or influence to vote for Trump.

It's really funny to me that so many people think he's anti-establishment. That's hilarious. Just because he isn't a politician, doesn't mean he isn't part of the establishment. Considering the fact that his net worth begins with a 'b', and how much money he's donated to political campaigns, and to whom, he is absolutely 100% part of the elite, mega-rich, mega-powerful establishment that doesn't give a rat's ass about the everyday average American.

People who voted for Obama in 2008 proved how ignorant the left was. People voting for Trump now is showing how ignorant the right is.
I'm tired of his petty bullshit to be honest. There's just never an attack of substance from him on another candidates stance on an issue. it's always something like "oh look oh look, he said carson was going home. liar liar cheater liar. i can't believe people believe this liar".

it's never "cruz's tax plan can't work because xxxx". it's just "that guy's failed 10 times at xxxxx because he can't get it done, i'll get it done".

so we should just take him on his word...


Like i said earlier. i'll vote for him over Hillary. But he's not helping his cause IMHO.
 

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Like i said earlier. i'll vote for him over Hillary.
I won't. I'll write in Rand Paul before I do that. Hell, I'll write in Ron Paul.

Until the general population stops voting for the lesser of two evils (a.k.a. Trump v. Hillary, Romney v. Obama, McCain v. Obama, etc.), this country will continue it's downward spiral.

I've almost come to the conclusion that the American people are too dumb to pull ourselves out of this mess we're in. They're seriously too occupied with their smart phones or some celebrity or some athlete to realize what's happening around them. It reminds me of a quote: "Think of how stupid the average American voter is. Then realize that half of them are dumber than that." I know that's not mathematically accurate, but the point still gets across. We, as a whole, are COMPLETELY incapable of thinking and making decisions for ourselves.
 

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I won't. I'll write in Rand Paul before I do that. Hell, I'll write in Ron Paul.

Until the general population stops voting for the lesser of two evils (a.k.a. Trump v. Hillary, Romney v. Obama, McCain v. Obama, etc.), this country will continue it's downward spiral.

I've almost come to the conclusion that the American people are too dumb to pull ourselves out of this mess we're in. They're seriously too occupied with their smart phones or some celebrity or some athlete to realize what's happening around them. It reminds me of a quote: "Think of how stupid the average American voter is. Then realize that half of them are dumber than that." I know that's not mathematically accurate, but the point still gets across. We, as a whole, are COMPLETELY incapable of thinking and making decisions for ourselves.
I'd give him a chance. he's not the republican party's pick. so that's the one thing he has going for him for me. they're not pushing trump.

They were pushing jeb, kasich, and now as a last ditch rubio.

i can't vote for Bush or Kasich. i just won't do it. Like you i'd write in a name.

That for me is my way of thumbing my nose at the republican establishment for giving us candidates like romney and Mccain.

But trump isn't from the republican establishment. And frankly they'd like the guy to go away...
 
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