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I plan on getting pacesetter longtubes and for the 99's they dont offer any with the EGR so ill be forced to delete it. my question is if i delete the egr, ill get a CEL obviously so is there a way to have the light turned off without having a tuner? Some guy on another forum said he kept the sensors hooked up after he deleted everything and he hasnt gotten a CEL so im just curious. Also is there any big risk with deleting it? I know they can raise the combustion chamber temperatures which idk if thatll cause any big issues or not other than emissions which im not too concerned about.

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Yes they do. But delete it anyways. lol

Summit has them with or without EGR.

But I have had no problems without the EGR for the past 2 years. And it never set a code for my BTW, but I turned it off anyways.
 

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Swap to a lower temp thermostat this will solve your high temps with the egr delete. I deleted mine and couldn't be happier. You can also change your radiator to a more efficient design and change the pulley on your water pump to increase flow if you are truly worried about temperatures. I was running 10-15 degrees below normal operating temps with a lower temp thermostat and egr delete and it was 92 outside the other day. But I've also replaced my radiator and water pump. But that was needed due to a prank gone wrong.
 

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yeah my manifold cracked and ive been doing alot of reasearch.... they way to go is ebay for the pacesetters. because they have them and you save like 10 bucks because shipping is free.

you can make an EGR block off plate out of almost anything stainless from like ace hardware and an angle grinder

some people have a code and some dont...

get the non egr and just make the block off plate and get a tuner on down the road but you will be fine for the meantime.

is it an auto or man?

ive herd that there is some trimming needed with the autos some people have said they trimmed and some say they slid right in..
 

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Swap to a lower temp thermostat this will solve your high temps with the egr delete. I deleted mine and couldn't be happier. You can also change your radiator to a more efficient design and change the pulley on your water pump to increase flow if you are truly worried about temperatures. I was running 10-15 degrees below normal operating temps with a lower temp thermostat and egr delete and it was 92 outside the other day. But I've also replaced my radiator and water pump. But that was needed due to a prank gone wrong.
Don't do that either. The only reason it lower combustion chamber temps is to prevent from detonating for one, and to prevent from making NOx for two.

BTW. You want to stay at operating temp. Lower thermostats are for when you're sitting and it gets to hot. Operating temp = maximum efficiency. Below OT = below average engine output.

You have done yourself harm by doing so.
 

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yeah my manifold cracked and ive been doing alot of reasearch.... they way to go is ebay for the pacesetters. because they have them and you save like 10 bucks because shipping is free.

you can make an EGR block off plate out of almost anything stainless from like ace hardware and an angle grinder

some people have a code and some dont...

get the non egr and just make the block off plate and get a tuner on down the road but you will be fine for the meantime.

is it an auto or man?

ive herd that there is some trimming needed with the autos some people have said they trimmed and some say they slid right in..
I also will make you and EGR delete that looks nice and clean. Ask MustangMike and GreenMustang00. I made theirs.
 

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Don't do that either. The only reason it lower combustion chamber temps is to prevent from detonating for one, and to prevent from making NOx for two.

BTW. You want to stay at operating temp. Lower thermostats are for when you're sitting and it gets to hot. Operating temp = maximum efficiency. Below OT = below average engine output.

You have done yourself harm by doing so.
first 12 degrees are not going to "hurt", now had I went smaller temp wise I could see this hurting, and I have actually seen an increase in mpg (measured miles to tank/gallons to fill) I have not changed my driving habits (cruise Control abuser), I've added average 25 miles more to the tank since the swap and egr delete. The only thing I have changed computer wise was I turned off the EGR on the ECU to get rid of the SES light.

Operating temp is the temperature at which the motor is operating you are thinking of the temperature at which the motor is most efficient or Efficiency temperature which is in the 180-190s for the 3.8l and on hot days a 192 Degree thermostat can see water temperatures of in excess of 200. If the water is 200 degrees how hot is the block? Any fluid thermodynamic specialists in the house? I can tell you its higher. I honestly wish they made a thermostat between 180 and 160, it'd keep the core in the 180-190s on hot summer days. But I'm hoping to see mid 190s with my new equipment I'll let you know when it gets hot again.
 

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first 12 degrees are not going to "hurt", now had I went smaller temp wise I could see this hurting, and I have actually seen an increase in mpg (measured miles to tank/gallons to fill) I have not changed my driving habits (cruise Control abuser), I've added average 25 miles more to the tank since the swap and egr delete. The only thing I have changed computer wise was I turned off the EGR on the ECU to get rid of the SES light.

Operating temp is the temperature at which the motor is operating you are thinking of the temperature at which the motor is most efficient or Efficiency temperature which is in the 180-190s for the 3.8l and on hot days a 192 Degree thermostat can see water temperatures of in excess of 200. If the water is 200 degrees how hot is the block? Any fluid thermodynamic specialists in the house? I can tell you its higher. I honestly wish they made a thermostat between 180 and 160, it'd keep the core in the 180-190s on hot summer days. But I'm hoping to see mid 190s with my new equipment I'll let you know when it gets hot again.
Operating temperature is the temp at which optimum efficiency is. Don't try to BS me. And its an ENGINE btw. I like specifics, not general statements.
 

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:no

First line of Operating temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"An operating temperature is the temperature at which an electrical or mechanical device operates"

So normal operating temperature was in reference to stock thermostat, the lower operating temperature was in reference to the new thermostat and so forth. I don't want to be a thread jacker I've said my peace and will add to anything the OP may have questions about. Sorry for stealing the thread.
 

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ill ask mike how his was. im pretty sure i can get one made ive got my table grinder :D
 

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:no

First line of Operating temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"An operating temperature is the temperature at which an electrical or mechanical device operates"

So normal operating temperature was in reference to stock thermostat, the lower operating temperature was in reference to the new thermostat and so forth. I don't want to be a thread jacker I've said my peace and will add to anything the OP may have questions about. Sorry for stealing the thread.
:no

YOU'RE wrong and so is wiki. That deals with electronics, not engines.
 

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its a 5 speed. and thanks for the help guys. i appreciate it. i think im going to do it if i have to for the exhaust anyways mr red pony.
 

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If you don't want to. Summit has pacesetters w/ or w/o.
 

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well they have the 94-04 ones without egr but i only see 01-04 with. i honestly dont see why they wouldnt fit if they have 94-04 and 01-04. doesnt make sense but would the 01-04 with egr fit my car or is there some other explanation why they only fit 01-04?
 

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The location of the egr pipe. And they got their years messed up. It should be 99+
 
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