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I certainly hope you are not propagating the same old BS story that a car which currently has a stock calibration still has some evidence of a previous aftermarket calibration left behind.
"How is the dealer going to tell? There is a Peramiter ID called FLASHEVNT that keeps track of how many times the PCM is flashed (or tuned). Your car came from the factory with this reading "1". If there was warranty work done that would require a tune from Ford, this number would go up the amout of times it had been reprogrammed at the dealer. It will also go up every time you flash or tune your PCM from your nifty handheld. There is no way to reduce this number, and no way to get around it. Yeah, I know there are tuners out there that claim to have a "no footprint" tune. Would I trust it? Not at all."

Is this not correct? Not trying to be a smart ass, I'm genuinely asking. this is what I'm going off of.
 

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Let me see if my IDS will pull it up. I've only seen it on my field service engineers IDS on a cyl 8 issue. That's how I learned about it.
 

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But if you have the ford racing programmer and tune you can slap a "under warranty" tune in real quick and WALLA ...
 

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What have you decided for the store credit, because depending on what it is...I might be placing an order with you tonight or Friday
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Jason, I can appreciate the difficult spot you've found yourself in and you're obviously working hard to resolve the issue but in case you missed it I think it may be time for a signature update.
 

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Jason, I can appreciate the difficult spot you've found yourself in and you're obviously working hard to resolve the issue but in case you missed it I think it may be time for a signature update.
To soon...... To soon
 

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lol, I can roll with the punches when it’s not meant to completely destroy me.

I just find it funny that some companies have made their way to make me personally look bad. If they only knew that the PM's on facebook they send out have made their way back to me they would probably stop, I'm just saving everything:)

Shaun, I have nothing against you. The more I think about it, the more I understand what you were trying to do. I personally wish you would have approached me about this whole thing - I would have contacted Shaun that very same day to confirm. – I’d also like to say I never paid anyone to stick up for me nor have I asked for help or gave away free parts, this was an issue that I needed to take care of. Notice how Dan stayed out of it? It wasn’t his burden to handle either.

The same goes for Brendan, a simple "Hey!! what the hell?" would've helped me at least contact the right people.

Now I have idiots going around calling me a ripoff artist and making "got duped sales" when only 2 weeks before the situation they wanted to be "mend" and work together. (I saved that PM as well) Just shows you they're desperate, when all your bridges are burned, where else are you going to go? I'd like to find any customers that say I ripped them off or never tried to take care of them.

A lot of the guys I've found talking crap about me haven't had the balls to approach me directly. The funny thing about most of it is, I've never met or done business with a lot them but they have no problems talking trash. Seems like everyone is bored and the drama on the interwebz is what makes them happy or, it helps them pass the time. Some say they don’t like me, I’ve come to the realization that, no matter how hard I try there will be individuals who don’t like me. Even though it drives me crazy.

At least I can post on here, I'm still banned on SVTP on stuff that happened nearly 2 years ago (that I admitted to). Apparently I'm the only person on there who has sold stuff thru PM's and not be a vendor? I call bullshit. I was caught I admitted it and I personally moved on. Yet Travis has no issues talking trash about me on there, we approached him during Mustang Week and all seemed good, I guess not. It’s ok, we'll run into him again, I'm sure he'll talk crap to my face.... I doubt it though.... I'm sure Beef will post this on SVTP knowing I can't post on there. Customers of mine have repped me over there a few times then I get accused of having or paying people to promote me, lol, I just don't get it. Then they accuse me of making multiple screen names, I don't get that either.

Sorry Marc for posting about another forum but it does play into the whole situation or what I like to call, others causing drama.

Again, I’m sorry to those who were involved in this, please contact me directly if you have any questions at all and I’ll take care of you. We’re still the same laid back group of guys that will answer any technical questions you have or price you something without hesitation or we can just shoot the ****. Even if you buy from someone else we have no problem talking you through an installation. Yes, we don’t have a shop yet but it’s in the process, heck we’re looking at other places to get in earlier just to shut people up. At least we don’t use another company’s shop and call it our own… just saying.

I’d also like to state that we didn’t become a master dealer for Roush, one of the larger BMR dealers, nor did we become a master dealer for AirLift or… direct with many other companies because we used a distributor or went to another 3rd party. We do NOT use any other companies to buy products either, other than selling Lethal’s actual products we don’t go to other companies. Beefcake wanted me to buy Paxton’s and Vortech’s from him just a few weeks ago but I would rather have herpes than work with him.

Just had to get that out of my system, I just noticed the issue is still popping up around forums and facebook by other companies. This will be the last time I post about this on here at all regarding this subject.

Again, if you’d like to contact me please email or pm me and I’ll get you squared away. If you guys want to lock the thread I understand. I’m still here and Hypermotive and the crew are not going anywhere
 

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Stating what you did is fine, jay. It's the posting of links to drama that we don't like, or going back and forth between forums. Explaining your history on another board isn't drama. Just facts.
 

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I thought this **** was all done with? Personally I'm over it, it really has no more affect on me. I'm not out to destroy you Jason, that's the least of my intentions. Nor is holding a grudge.

Should I have gone to you first? Eh maybe, wasn't really my place. From the getgo I told Brendan and 2 other people. They told people, those people told people, then someone posted it up. Was not my intentions for it to go public in that way at all.

But it's beating a dead horse at this point.

Hopefully Justin at VMP will work with you, and your business keeps doing good. I have absolutely zero I'll intentions towards you. To be honest, after it blew over I actually felt bad to a certain extent. Maybe gnats be being a pussy, or me just having somewhat of a concienous.

I do wish you luck though, I'm have no plans of belittling you when a HMP thread pops up.
 

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FYI, I never told anyone else. I went straight to Jay because I was confused and wanted to know my options. I hoped to get a finished tune. He attempted when he couldn't he took care of me and now I'm getting a AED tune.
 

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Well Marc, since this post is partially / mostly directed at me. I am going to respond and think I should be allowed to respond. I will keep it civil and factual and without name calling.

lol, I can roll with the punches when it’s not meant to completely destroy me.

I just find it funny that some companies have made their way to make me personally look bad. If they only knew that the PM's on facebook they send out have made their way back to me they would probably stop, I'm just saving everything:)
First, I don't post anything on FB or pm anything on FB without knowing / wanting / expecting it could get back to someone.

Anyone that knows me, knows I have 0 problems speaking my mind. I am BRUTALLY honest. Some customers like it, some customers hate it, but, you know what you get with me.

So, I am going to address everything your stating.

First, no one is "making you look bad". You and your employees have made you look bad by your / their actions. Plain and simple. Enough has been posted to the public for educated people to make their decisions.

You never manned up with this post until Danner suggested you do so. He told you that you should have done it from the get go. You knew what was going on, and you chose to stick with Mike until it got so bad for you that you realized it was not going to be an option and then you had to back peddle to save face.

Shaun, I have nothing against you. The more I think about it, the more I understand what you were trying to do. I personally wish you would have approached me about this whole thing - I would have contacted Shaun that very same day to confirm. – I’d also like to say I never paid anyone to stick up for me nor have I asked for help or gave away free parts, this was an issue that I needed to take care of. Notice how Dan stayed out of it? It wasn’t his burden to handle either.

The same goes for Brendan, a simple "Hey!! what the hell?" would've helped me at least contact the right people.

Now I have idiots going around calling me a ripoff artist and making "got duped sales" when only 2 weeks before the situation they wanted to be "mend" and work together. (I saved that PM as well) Just shows you they're desperate, when all your bridges are burned, where else are you going to go? I'd like to find any customers that say I ripped them off or never tried to take care of them.
So, your calling me an idiot. I like it. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and I'm the idiot. LOL. Yes, I made a got duped sale, because that's exactly what happened. Many people got duped. They were LIED to and taken advantage of.

Quit playing the victim. You are not the victim. The customers are the victims and I am offering the customers an alternative tuning option. A tuning option that you believe in as matter of fact.

Your offering the customers a tuning option, that you don't even believe in! I'll start by saying, I personally have 0 issues with Justin at VMP, I think he runs a great business. I just think it's funny, that after you said that their tuning was a complete let down, that it's the alternative that you are offering to customers.



If that's what you think, why aren't you suggesting customers go where you tried to go to get your tuning in the first place?

And I must make note again, that Lund wanted to do nothing with tuning for you.

A lot of the guys I've found talking crap about me haven't had the balls to approach me directly. The funny thing about most of it is, I've never met or done business with a lot them but they have no problems talking trash. Seems like everyone is bored and the drama on the interwebz is what makes them happy or, it helps them pass the time. Some say they don’t like me, I’ve come to the realization that, no matter how hard I try there will be individuals who don’t like me. Even though it drives me crazy.
Okay, here's my balls hanging out. Yes, I offered to mend fences "before" this stuff happened. And what was the mending fences about. Nothing I did.

I offered to mend the fences that were broken "BECAUSE YOU STOLE FROM ME". Again, your playing the victim.

At least I can post on here, I'm still banned on SVTP on stuff that happened nearly 2 years ago (that I admitted to). Apparently I'm the only person on there who has sold stuff thru PM's and not be a vendor? I call bullshit. I was caught I admitted it and I personally moved on. Yet Travis has no issues talking trash about me on there, we approached him during Mustang Week and all seemed good, I guess not. It’s ok, we'll run into him again, I'm sure he'll talk crap to my face.... I doubt it though.... I'm sure Beef will post this on SVTP knowing I can't post on there. Customers of mine have repped me over there a few times then I get accused of having or paying people to promote me, lol, I just don't get it. Then they accuse me of making multiple screen names, I don't get that either.
Again, it wasn't 2 years ago. JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!!

This happened as recently as a few months ago. I know, because I pointed another name out to Travis. So I have personal knowledge of it.





You should be thankful you are allowed to post here after what's happened the past 2 weeks.

Sorry Marc for posting about another forum but it does play into the whole situation or what I like to call, others causing drama.
And like Marc said, stating facts is not causing drama. You are not the victim.

Again, I’m sorry to those who were involved in this, please contact me directly if you have any questions at all and I’ll take care of you. We’re still the same laid back group of guys that will answer any technical questions you have or price you something without hesitation or we can just shoot the ****. Even if you buy from someone else we have no problem talking you through an installation. Yes, we don’t have a shop yet but it’s in the process, heck we’re looking at other places to get in earlier just to shut people up. At least we don’t use another company’s shop and call it our own… just saying.
Again, directed at me.

I have a great partnership with my crew chief. I handle the parts end of things. He handles the shop end of things. We both handle the dyno. We have 3 companies. Team Beefcake Racing (which I am the owner of). Finish Line Performance (which he is the owner of). And Cincinnati Dyno tuning which we are both 50% partners in.

You say this like it's a bad thing. I surround myself with the best people in the business. I surround myself with a shop with a stellar reputation to handle the local installations for my customers. You have no such shop. We have been at the top of the coyote game since these cars came to market. We have set records numerous times. We are competing heads up in the most competitive coyote class out there right now, sitting 2nd in points for the year. We have taken home the NMRA Super Bowl Ring 3 years in a row. We have won numerous NMRA Championships, we won the all female shootout this year.

What records have you guys set? What et's have you posted up? What road course events have you won? What national drag racing events have you won? What Mile MPH records have you posted?

I surround myself with arguably the best tuning company in the business. By your own words for that matter, and that's a bad thing?? When they wouldn't let you sell their tuning products, what did you resort to? The thing that got you in this mess in the first place.

If you think you can make me look bad by being at the top of the game by surrounding myself and my company with the best people in the business, your sorely mistaken.

If you want to be the best, surround yourself with the best. We see what happens when you don't.

I’d also like to state that we didn’t become a master dealer for Roush, one of the larger BMR dealers, nor did we become a master dealer for AirLift or… direct with many other companies because we used a distributor or went to another 3rd party. We do NOT use any other companies to buy products either, other than selling Lethal’s actual products we don’t go to other companies. Beefcake wanted me to buy Paxton’s and Vortech’s from him just a few weeks ago but I would rather have herpes than work with him.

Just had to get that out of my system, I just noticed the issue is still popping up around forums and facebook by other companies. This will be the last time I post about this on here at all regarding this subject.

Again, if you’d like to contact me please email or pm me and I’ll get you squared away. If you guys want to lock the thread I understand. I’m still here and Hypermotive and the crew are not going anywhere
Let's set this straight. You sling a lot of parts for cheap. I get the business model, mine is very similar and I sling a lot of parts for cheap.

We were discussing not "undercutting" each other, and pricing items at the same price and letting the customers decide where they want to buy.

You asked me to raise my prices on my Paxton packages so you could sell more. I offered to sell to you at $100 over cost so that you could move more packages and be competitive with my pricing. I wasn't begging for your Paxton business. I own the Paxton business. I am the largest WD Paxton / Vortech dealer in THE WORLD. That is a fact.

You wanted to be competitive, I offered you a way to do so. Again, trying to mend fences from where you stole $$ from me and intellectual property from me.

Again, some won't like me posting facts because they simply have their eyes closed, and that's ok, and I can live with that. But, if your going to call me out. I am going to respond.

I will finish again by saying this.

YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIM.

It's so easy to reply when you post with factual information. :)
 
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