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You're on the wrong forum. There are certain ones that track people down lol. They're quite good at it.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear about your ordeal. I'm sure it must be maddening, but I agree with others. Don't waste any more of your life beating your head against this wall. Occasionally, we all must pay the scumbag tax – and decent people can only hope to minimize the impact. Those storied resolutions where the good guy wins and the bad guy gets what coming to him are pretty rare. Scumbags are a particular breed. They don't run the same software as decent folk. They live their lives in a deliberate way - purposefully maintaining the status of having little or nothing to lose. That enables them to become specialists in petty deceptions, scams, etc. while staying just a click off the grid and being just anonymous enough to be slippery. Scumbags constantly move from place to place – job to job – staying just a step out of reach from creditors, courts, and cops. As long as they don't cross the wrong person or get too greedy, scumbags often cruise their whole lives – living just on what they can hustle-up. So they're always hunting for situations to exploit, people to deceive, or ways to benefit from cracks in the system.

I'm 46 years old and I grew up 20 minutes from Detroit … so I've dealt with (and been stung by) my fair share of scumbags. I won't pretend I have them all figured out, but in my experience, scumbags tend to be likeable, persuasive, and charismatic – a practiced personality used to disarm and charm the unsuspecting decent folk. Every word that comes out of their mouths is intended to make you like them, believe them, and trust them to hold-up their end of a bargain. But you have to realize, these are the same guys that avoid paying child support, the same guys that know how to delay an eviction, the same guys that sign-up for utilities under a pet's name, etc. Plus, they all know how to cleverly turn their problem into your problem. They're good! The rub is, we all intuitively know scumbags when we see and hear them, but we're handicapped by that little liberal splinter in our minds that says, “Don't judge a book by its cover.” So even when our intuition is screaming STOP! STOP! STOP!, we still occasionally fall victim to the scumbag charms. And then it's too late.

Unfortunately, petty theft and property crimes are WAY low on the law-enforcement priority list – plus you can't hunt them down and shoot them yourself. So the best you can do is try to detect and avoid scumbags all together, just understand you will never defeat them – simply because you play by the rules and they don't. In the end, seeking restitution from the scumbag is a futile endeavor. It will only suck more money and energy out of your life. So don't bother. He didn't win. You'll always be the better man, and he'll always be a scumbag.
 

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Yo Brett if it helps you feel better I bought a drive train off of craigslist recently and because of this thread i was more cautious than even normal. We agreed on the price and i agreed to help him pull it. He was like well do you want to handle the money and bill of sale now or after? I handed him the cash when everything was in my possession ha ha. Definitely had my kimber .45 on me.
 

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You got screwed because you handed a perfect stranger $1000 and did not walk out with a motor.

That's it. It's that simple.
...Oh yeah, that's right. Makes everything I've recently said kinda pointless.:frown2:

I'm so sorry to hear about your ordeal. I'm sure it must be maddening, but I agree with others. Don't waste any more of your life beating your head against this wall. Occasionally, we all must pay the scumbag tax – and decent people can only hope to minimize the impact. Those storied resolutions where the good guy wins and the bad guy gets what coming to him are pretty rare. Scumbags are a particular breed. They don't run the same software as decent folk. They live their lives in a deliberate way - purposefully maintaining the status of having little or nothing to lose. That enables them to become specialists in petty deceptions, scams, etc. while staying just a click off the grid and being just anonymous enough to be slippery. Scumbags constantly move from place to place – job to job – staying just a step out of reach from creditors, courts, and cops. As long as they don't cross the wrong person or get too greedy, scumbags often cruise their whole lives – living just on what they can hustle-up. So they're always hunting for situations to exploit, people to deceive, or ways to benefit from cracks in the system.

I'm 46 years old and I grew up 20 minutes from Detroit … so I've dealt with (and been stung by) my fair share of scumbags. I won't pretend I have them all figured out, but in my experience, scumbags tend to be likeable, persuasive, and charismatic – a practiced personality used to disarm and charm the unsuspecting decent folk. Every word that comes out of their mouths is intended to make you like them, believe them, and trust them to hold-up their end of a bargain. But you have to realize, these are the same guys that avoid paying child support, the same guys that know how to delay an eviction, the same guys that sign-up for utilities under a pet's name, etc. Plus, they all know how to cleverly turn their problem into your problem. They're good! The rub is, we all intuitively know scumbags when we see and hear them, but we're handicapped by that little liberal splinter in our minds that says, “Don't judge a book by its cover.” So even when our intuition is screaming STOP! STOP! STOP!, we still occasionally fall victim to the scumbag charms. And then it's too late.

Unfortunately, petty theft and property crimes are WAY low on the law-enforcement priority list – plus you can't hunt them down and shoot them yourself. So the best you can do is try to detect and avoid scumbags all together, just understand you will never defeat them – simply because you play by the rules and they don't. In the end, seeking restitution from the scumbag is a futile endeavor. It will only suck more money and energy out of your life. So don't bother. He didn't win. You'll always be the better man, and he'll always be a scumbag.
It does make me feel a bit better thinking of Alex stealing my money as a "scumbag tax." I grew up in a town where there weren't really any scumbags running around, so I've never really had to deal with them up until now.

Yo Brett if it helps you feel better I bought a drive train off of craigslist recently and because of this thread i was more cautious than even normal. We agreed on the price and i agreed to help him pull it. He was like well do you want to handle the money and bill of sale now or after? I handed him the cash when everything was in my possession ha ha. Definitely had my kimber .45 on me.
Receiving parts, THEN paying money = smart man.

For me personally, I don't think I'll ever purchase anything off of Craigslist again.
 

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Nah man, don't let one asshole make buying parts any harder than it needs to be. There's assholes like that on Facebook sales sites, Ebay, etc. Some people just want to screw people over, no matter what. Just go into it expecting there to be a catch, be prepared, and if you aren't getting exactly what you want right now, walk away with your money in your pocket. I've walked away from car deals I've driven over two hours for because things weren't like in the ad, etc.
 

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Saying you will never purchase anything off craigslist again is like saying I ****ed a girl that had STDs, so now Im never going to **** another girl again. Just learn how to do it safely and smart.

I bought 5 cars on craigslist, sold three, sold over $5k in parts, and bought about $3k in parts and never had an issue.

I post my mechanic services, and well as DJ advertisements on craigslist. You just have to learn how to filter out the scammer from the real customers/vendors.
 

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Nah man, don't let one asshole make buying parts any harder than it needs to be. There's assholes like that on Facebook sales sites, Ebay, etc. Some people just want to screw people over, no matter what. Just go into it expecting there to be a catch, be prepared, and if you aren't getting exactly what you want right now, walk away with your money in your pocket. I've walked away from car deals I've driven over two hours for because things weren't like in the ad, etc.
Ive done the same, I found a 2011 dodge Ram I liked with leather and everything, drove 2 hours and found it had been a rental and had another previous owner, bald tires, caved in rear bumper, a lot of missing screws in the wheel well liners. Decent price but they said it was mint. Walked my ass away and never talked to them again.
 

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Well that was an interesting read. A grand is a lot of money to me lol. It could find my meaningless retail therapy for like the entire year. I'm sorry it didn't turn out how you wanted but at least you learned something.
 

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OP. You wouldn't happen to be in school while working would you?
Hmmmm...... Let me think for a little bit...

I’m not taking some guy to small-claims court because of $1000 when I have school and a job to worry about.
Due to school and work taking up damn near all of my time, I knew would have to file in small claims.
I missed school and work to make the court date.

Because of school and work taking up damn near all of my time, I couldn’t get ahold of any legal professionals that would give me the time of day.

I decided “**** it, I don’t have time to deal with this case. Maintaining my grades in school and my reputation at work are both a helluva lot more important than some asshole that probably steals for a living.”
It also didn't help that I'm in school, working part-time after school, and working full-time on the weekends. I have little to no time to track Alex down.
Naaaaahhhhhhh,:grin2: I don't think I work while going to school. Only a stupid 19-year-old dummy would do that.



Joking and sarcasm aside, yes, I am working while attending school.
 

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UPDATE:

As you all probably know already, I've pretty much given up on this quest to get my $1000 back from Alex. I've accepted that I've been ****ed over, and will never get any form of restitution or compensation for it.

However...

I just got a letter in the mail yesterday concerning my case against Alex. It's from a producer of a TV show called "Hot Bench." Somehow, in a way that I don't know, that TV show found out about my case that I filed against Alex. Apparently, they want me to go on TV and present my case against Alex in front of a panel of judges. They're saying that if I win, "We guarantee that you will receive the money awarded to you within 30 days." "You will receive a guaranteed minimum payment for appearing on the program" they say.

I did a little bit of research on that Hot Bench show, and apparently, it was created by ol' Judge Judy. The show is pretty much exactly like her's, except that there are 3 judges (a "hot bench" of judges) instead of 1. The show was created about a year ago, and it's aired out in Hollywood, California.

I'm not completely sure about going through with having to fly out somewhere to present my case on TV. The whole process will likely take a few days, maybe weeks, but I don't want to have to miss a whole bunch of school for it. Plus, I'm thinking that there might be some kind of catch to appearing on this TV show.

What do you guys think?
 

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Idk, if it's legit it could be a decent "**** you" to Alex and a good chance to publicly embarass him (to some extent, since I've never even heard of it).
Yeah, I've never heard of this Hot Bench show either. But hell, I don't give a dead bull's last **** if my case is aired on TV or not.


I'm assuming that if I agree to appearing on this Hot Bench show, then Alex is probably going to have to agree to it as well, otherwise, no show, and I don't get my money back. They'll probably have to track him down, mail him a letter, sweet talk him, etc. Since these Hot Bench people were able to track me down and get a letter mailed to me, I'm thinking that they might have an easier time and more resources available to track Alex down.

Tomorrow, I plan on calling / e-mailing this producer to ask a few questions concerning why they even want me to present my case on their show. If I agree to it, then what all is going to have to be done for them to present my case and for me to get my money back? Will I have to fly out somewhere? What kind of documents / forms will I have to fill out? Am I going to have to pay for anything? What about Alex? Can they track him down? If they can, then how are they going to get him to agree to appearing on the show as well?

Any other questions you guys can think of?
 

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A few updates in my case against Alex the fraudulent 1986 Mercury Capri parts seller. I’ll list them in order of relevance. You guys might actually be happy / interested to hear about this.



UPDATE:

2 weeks ago, I contacted the producer of the “Hot Bench” TV show who sent me the letter wanting me to present my case on TV. Long story short, I need to give them Alex’s contact information so that they can contact him so that he can appear on the show as well. As you all very well know, I don't have any contact information on Alex. I assumed the people at that TV show would have the resources to track him down, but the TV show producer lady responded, “Sorry, we’re not detectives.”

Welp, no court case on TV show for me. Oh well.



BIG UPDATE (more like another long story to be honest):

After the case was closed in late October, my family and a few of you here on MM offered me a piece of advice that I followed. And I’m damn ****ing glad that I did so.

“Check Alex’s Facebook account every once in a while.”


One night in mid-November, I checked up on Alex’s Facebook account again just like I was advised to do. Lo and behold, Alex posted up the name of his new NEW employer on his Facebook page. I thought about filing another case against him, but I hesitated at the thought that it would be a waste of time and money to do so. After a few days of thinking it over however, I decided to file another case against Alex. I had already gone through the court process before, I already knew how to do everything I needed to do, and it would only cost me $50 or so to file again.

So the week before Thanksgiving, I went and filed another court case against Alex. This time, no bullshit, no questions asked. I pretty much just copied and pasted everything that I did and wrote before. Filed and finished everything up in under an hour. The court date was set for a few days before Christmas.

2 weeks ago, I checked the status of that summons letter online. What do you know, the letter was successfully delivered to Alex’s new employer! AWESOME!!! I thought that I had this case locked up. I believed that I would get my judgment against Alex...

AND I WAS RIGHT!!! Today was my 2nd court date against Alex. I showed up to court early, and Alex was nowhere to be seen, just like before. The courtroom opened, and my case was called by the judge, just like before. “Brett Norton vs. Alex Last Name.” I approached the podium just like before, but this time, the judge didn’t say “Oh Alex was never served the court papers.” Instead, the judge asked me, “You’re asking for $1500 correct?” “Yes, your honor,” I replied. The judge looked up a few things on his computer, and then said “Alright, judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $1500.” ALRIGHT!!!

Now, I just have to wait 10 days before I file a writ of garnishment against Alex. Once I do that, and the garnishment letter gets to his employer, Alex will either be:

-Forced to pay me back the money he owes me
-Unable to collect a paycheck without some major hindrance due to the garnishment order attached to his name

However, that last update pales in comparison to this next one. If I had just gotten the judgment in my favor and filed for garnishment, I wouldn’t be posting in this thread again until I had gotten all of my money back. But I just can’t keep my stupid mouth shut over this next thing that’s happened. Again, this next update is a HUGE ****ing deal.



BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIIIIIIIIIG UPDATE:

After winning the court case, I drove around Kansas City to do a few things. Looked for a camshaft bearing removal tool, ate lunch with my uncle, drove around KC some more, etc. I ended up putting about 300 miles on my car today alone. So when I got back home, I was obviously a bit tired and laid down to take a nap…

I was woken up at about 4:30 p.m. by my phone ringing. “Goddammit, who the hell’s calling me?” I thought. Once I saw the caller ID though, heh, I didn’t need any coffee. I didn’t need any of that 5-hour energy stuff. I was A-WAKE. Who the hell was calling me?

It was Alex calling me. The guy who ripped me off. The guy who stole $1000 from me. The guy who ignored me for so long, who this whole case was about. ALEX, THE CON MAN THAT I’VE CHASED FOR SO LONG, WAS CALLING MY PHONE. WHY IN THE BULL-****ING HELL WAS ALEX CALLING ME!?!?!?!?! I quickly picked up the phone.

Me: Hello?
Alex: Is this Brett?
Me: Yes.
Alex: (I’m paraphrasing this) Hey man, it’s Alex. I missed the court date today, and I’m not gonna deny the fact that I owe you money. Can we set something up to resolve this?
Me: Well, I’m not gonna deny the fact that I’m a little pissed at you for stealing my money, ignoring me for so long, and then getting ahold of me trying to set up a solution here.
Alex: Yeah, I’ve been ****ing up my life for the past few months and …………….engine……………..for……………to…………….KRZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


I don’t think Alex hung up on me there. I’ve got a real crappy phone connection out where I live that probably cut us off.

Anyway, Alex went on to text me about how he didn’t call to make excuses, how he wanted to solve this case, saying sorry, etc.. “I moved, I lost your number until I got the court papers,” he said. “I spent the money you paid me, was jobless, and was ****ing up my life. I’ve finally got a decent job, so I can pay you back now."

I told Alex to contact the court about how to pay me back. “No problem, thanks,” he said.



WELL ALRIGHTTY THEN! In summary, I filed another court case against Alex which I won. I've gotta wait 10 days before I can file garnishment against Alex.
However, ALEX called ME, AFTER I won the case, wanting to set up some kind of resolution to the "little problem" that the two of us have here.

Now then. I'm the kind of person that believes in 2nd chances, and I'm not one to hold a grudge against anybody. I want to trust Alex and truly believe in what he's saying. I want to believe that he will pay me back, that he's trying to change his ways. Based on the events of the past 5-6 months though, myself and others have already concluded that Alex is not exactly a person to be trusted. I can't believe everything that he's saying.

I WANT to be able to resolve this money situation with Alex, I WANT to patch things up with him, I WANT us to be on good terms with one another. Hell, I even think I would want us to be buds or something. Am I being too nice or unsuspecting? BUT, I'm not just gonna meet up with Alex somewhere to talk about this, it could be a trap for all I know.

I still have the option of going for that paycheck garnishment. However, because Alex is wanting to pay me back (fingers crossed), I'm feeling some kind of obligation to give him a chance. I've heard that employers don't appreciate having to deal with garnishment, so Alex might even lose his job because of it.

I do understand that garnishing Alex's paycheck is definitely the smarter move here. He's either forced to give me my money back, or his name is put to shame and then he's forced to give me my money back. But, I want to give him a chance to pay me back. I want Alex to be able to "redeem" himself so to speak and not hold a grudge. Garnishing Alex's paycheck would probably go against everything I believe in about how I treat other people. I still want him to be happy and stuff, even though he's wronged me.

I don't know, my mind is going crazy over this (explains the long-ass post). What do you guys think?
 

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are you being serious right now? you're honestly thinking about trusting him to pay you outside of wage garnishments and maybe even be his "bud"?

sweet baby jesus man. he ****ed you and he'd still be ****ing you if he hadn't slipped up on facebook. give him the chance and he'll **** you again. file for a wage garnishment and let that run its course. do not talk to him. do not meet him. do not try to become friends with him. you're being unbelievably naive for considering any other route, man. forget about how you believe in treating people. when you're being taken advantage of by a criminal, you can't view them as though you're dealing with some other type of person. you have to cover yourself. he'll say anything he needs to say to you to cover his own ass, and you're playing right into his con artistry.

you scored an awesome, unexpected victory. take it.
 
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