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Paint the picture however you want to paint it to fit your agenda, but it boils down to an employee refusing to do a job they signed on to do. Whether it's issuing a marriage license or driving across country to drop & hook another trailer to take it to its destination. A trucking carrier isn't going to have a driver drive thousands of miles to drop off a trailer and then bob-tail it all the way home across country. Every mile that that driver isn't hauling is just more time that the company's asset is sitting idle, not making the company any money. The clerk refused to do her job because of her religion and served jail time. The Muslim refused to do his job and receives almost 3 years worth of wages.
 

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Paint the picture however you want to paint it to fit your agenda, but it boils down to an employee refusing to do a job they signed on to do. Whether it's issuing a marriage license or driving across country to drop & hook another trailer to take it to its destination. A trucking carrier isn't going to have a driver drive thousands of miles to drop off a trailer and then bob-tail it all the way home across country. Every mile that that driver isn't hauling is just more time that the company's asset is sitting idle, not making the company any money. The clerk refused to do her job because of her religion and served jail time. The Muslim refused to do his job and receives almost 3 years worth of wages.
Glad someone can see the hypocrisy.

The Govt lady, they could have put her on another job or had someone sit in for the LGBT marriages. But they chose to make a point out of her by jailing her for her religious beliefs. I felt that was extreme punishment for what could have been solved simply, like I said, by having someone else in the office sit in for the rare occasion a LGBT couple wanted to tie the knot.
 

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You seem a lot more open and logical than John/Nova and Eric Foxwell, who would rather launch attacks away from the point than discuss it.
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Like going on rants against socialism in the Climate Change thread because you have no response to the science? Oh wait, that was you... Still not as bad as the fake magazine.

The funny thing here is that I'm not in favor of this settlement, or people holding their employers hostage over things they will and won't do based on religious belief. Had they just been fired for being Muslim, I'd get the concern, but over not doing their job? **** them. I don't care.
 

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What will be next, a butcher shop that hires a new Jewish worker but refuses to process the hog because of his religious beliefs?
 

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But it's not a double standard. The cake bakers said they didn't want to bake a cake for the gay couple because it was against their religion which would follow that that would go for ALL gays that walked into their shop.



Which is exactly what they are saying by proclaiming their faith prohibited them from baking a cake for a gay wedding.

The reason Star Transport lost the case is because they could have "reasonably" accommodated them but they chose to simply fire them. Had this been a Christian that was transporting fetal baby parts and claimed that his religion didn't allow him to participate in what his faith tells him is wrong and got fired for it we would have conservative media bellowing from the rooftops that the "War on Christianity" is alive and well and this is the example. There's your double standard.

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Denying one couple a cake to congratulate them on their wedding is not denying an entire subset of people your goods. For example, had they walked in to buy a birthday cake, I am sure he would have made it. Had they come in to buy donuts, or bread, or cupcakes, again I am sure he would have served them.

If I am a restaurant owner with a location on a beach, am I violating anyone's rights by having a "No Shirt, No Shoes, No service" sign? Or am I selectively denying service to a few individuals who I feel will be offputting to my customers? One one that's closer to my heart, even though I am a gun owner and concealed carrier, I support the store's ability to ask me to leave if I am seen with my gun in their establishment. I may have the right to carry it, and my state gives me that right until I'm asked to leave. Should I be able to sue him to serve me if he doesn't want to just because I am carrying a gun? Nope. If I'm asked to leave, I will. And I won't go back. Problem solved.
 

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Denying one couple a cake to congratulate them on their wedding is not denying an entire subset of people your goods. For example, had they walked in to buy a birthday cake, I am sure he would have made it. Had they come in to buy donuts, or bread, or cupcakes, again I am sure he would have served them.
I'm with you on this part, the rest not so much...
 

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I'm still trying to figure out where in the Quran it says you can't handle/transport alcohol. I know imbibing is verboten, but that's nowhere near the same as driving a truck that happens to have a few cases of booze in the back.
Now we're getting somewhere. Yes, I too have not been able to find where in the quaran it says they can't transport or touch alcohol.

Apparently his lawyers did find it but I haven't been able to.

Denying one couple a cake to congratulate them on their wedding is not denying an entire subset of people your goods. For example, had they walked in to buy a birthday cake, I am sure he would have made it. Had they come in to buy donuts, or bread, or cupcakes, again I am sure he would have served them.
So what you are saying is that they only wanted to deny service to this particular gay couple and any other gay couple that walked in and wanted a wedding cake made for them would have gotten service? Isn't there issue that making a wedding cake for gays is tantamount to approving their lifestyle which goes against their religious beliefs? I would think that if they won't make a cake for one gay couple because it goes against their beliefs that would apply to ALL gay couples.

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Now we're getting somewhere. Yes, I too have not been able to find where in the quaran it says they can't transport or touch alcohol.

Apparently his lawyers did find it but I haven't been able to.



So what you are saying is that they only wanted to deny service to this particular gay couple and any other gay couple that walked in and wanted a wedding cake made for them would have gotten service? Isn't there issue that making a wedding cake for gays is tantamount to approving their lifestyle which goes against their religious beliefs? I would think that if they won't make a cake for one gay couple because it goes against their beliefs that would apply to ALL gay couples.

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Re-read what I said. Had they walked in and wanted a BIRTHDAY cake, I bet he would have made it. It's just gay wedding cakes he didn't want to do.
 

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Glad someone can see the hypocrisy.

The Govt lady, they could have put her on another job or had someone sit in for the LGBT marriages. But they chose to make a point out of her by jailing her for her religious beliefs. I felt that was extreme punishment for what could have been solved simply, like I said, by having someone else in the office sit in for the rare occasion a LGBT couple wanted to tie the knot.
Just to clarify, Kim Davis wasn't allowing her subordinates to sign the licenses in her place. So she was pushing her religious beliefs onto the people that worked for her as well. So "sitting in for the rare occasion" of an LGBT couple wasn't an option for her employees, therefore, to jail with her ass.
 

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Re-read what I said. Had they walked in and wanted a BIRTHDAY cake, I bet he would have made it. It's just gay wedding cakes he didn't want to do.
I read what you wrote but I'm not acknowledging it since you are ASSUMING that would happen. I'm basing my argument on what DID happen.

Did the cake baker say that he would have honored a gay birthday cake? Please quote him saying this and I will be more than happy to acknowledge your argument.

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I read what you wrote but I'm not acknowledging it since you are ASSUMING that would happen. I'm basing my argument on what DID happen.

Did the cake baker say that he would have honored a gay birthday cake? Please quote him saying this and I will be more than happy to acknowledge your argument.

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Isn't this what you always cry about when I ignore your BS points? :yes
 

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What do they mean by "The Obama administration represented the muslims?". Like Obama sent lawyers to defend them?

Doesn't really make sense to award them $240k dollars but it seems like the [state? federal? I don't know] law says an employer is supposed to accommodate reasonable alternatives for religious reasons and with the fact that the delivery company could have easily provided such accommodations, they were wrongfully fired.

I'm assuming either the lawyer representing them stretched the law that is probably mostly used for not being able to be fired because you were observing a religious holiday or this was in a union/non-right-to-work state.

Regardless, this is in no way applicable to Kim Davis in the slightest beyond "muh religious freedums!". She's an elected official bound by an oath to uphold federal law - not a ****ing employee of some delivery company.

Don't really agree with the outcome, but I'm also in Texas which is a right-to-work state which means a company can fire you for literally anything as long as they come up with a non-discriminatory excuse (pretty easy to do). Definitely sounds like if the "Obama Administration" did anything more than agree with an opinion, they were doing it just to rile up emotion.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the "Obama Administration represented them" is something this lady pulled out of her ass. I can't find mention of anything anywhere.
Obama appoints the leaders of the EEOC and they elected to represent this case and not others. Just like his Justice dept is not going to charge Lois Lerner with anything in the IRS scandal. The administration puts out an agenda and all of it's subordinates follow. Now I'm not saying Obama himself called for them to do this, but his agenda and actions sure did.

I agree that the clerk of court lady's case is a different deal, because, there were accommodations, so she could let others do the work if she didn't want to, so she screwed herself there.
 

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Not a fan of obama or most of his policies but frivolous lawsuits were around way before his policies came into play and will continue even when he is out of office regardless of who is elected. We have become a nation that walks on eggshells. Can't say anything without offending someone.
 

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Not a fan of obama or most of his policies but frivolous lawsuits were around way before his policies came into play and will continue even when he is out of office regardless of who is elected. We have become a nation that walks on eggshells. Can't say anything without offending someone.
No no no! He is the inventor of all bad things that have happened in this country don't ya get it?!! JEEZ!
 

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No no no! He is the inventor of all bad things that have happened in this country don't ya get it?!! JEEZ!
While only a correlation and nothing more, race relations have taken a nose dive over the past 5 years. I won't blame Obama for it, but I won't give him credit for improving race relations like he's claimed.

Ya, I know, Islam isn't a race, but that doesn't mean anti-islamic prejudice isn't another form of xenophobia just like racism
 

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I read what you wrote but I'm not acknowledging it since you are ASSUMING that would happen. I'm basing my argument on what DID happen.

Did the cake baker say that he would have honored a gay birthday cake? Please quote him saying this and I will be more than happy to acknowledge your argument.

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Did he say he wouldn't? Did he put up a sign on his door that said, "No gays served here?" His ONLY issue that I'm aware of is that he refused to make a cake for a gay wedding. That's it. He was sued over that one cake he refused to make. Thus, it's a little presumptive to automatically assume he refuses to serve any of his products to gays.
 

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It's ALL Obamas fault.....

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I second that. He has run this country down the drain. Put women in charge of all military command post, fired all experienced male field generals, tells Justice Department to launch a probe for a thug who did not even had his hands up in Missouri, telling the nation it's okay for ISIS cutting off heads in 21st century because Crusaders did it back in 13th century, go plays golf while American Journalist gets his head chopped, disarmed the police from doing their job, can't even stand up the Vladmir Putin, let's some dumb college girl in his staff tells the Nation we need to give ISIS jobs to have them stop killing everyone, let his mother in law live in the White House, allowing millions illegals to have legal status by stroke of a pen costing us our hard earn tax dollars, have Al Sharpton invited to White House over 90 times to give him advise, should I name more.

USA is not the worlds strongest power anymore because of him. All muslims are laughing at us now. I am an immigrant. Immigrant should learn to assimilate. Some Muslims have no intentions of assimilating but want the same benefit and if anyone disagrees with their belief, they will sue and call rest of us RACIST.

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I'm still trying to figure out where in the Quran it says you can't handle/transport alcohol. I know imbibing is verboten, but that's nowhere near the same as driving a truck that happens to have a few cases of booze in the back.

If I refused to write some of the extremist **** I have to write all day at work, sure, my beliefs would be accommodated, but I'd be an asshole for it. I wish those two guys luck finding and keeping new jobs. They got lucky this time, but eventually those two assholes will run across a complete dick. And dicks tend to **** the assholes one way or another.
I work with lot of muslim contractors. They would just leave without telling anyone for an hour. They said they went to pray. Now.. I will have no problem with this if they stayed extra hour to fill up the hour they went to go pray but as soon as 5PM hits the clock, they go home while everyone else bust their ass working all day without one hour of prayer time. Oh.. they go out to lunch too. They are just taking advantages of us while playing us with their religious right bullshit.

I have no respect for Islam if they take advantage of others by putting their religion in front of it.
 

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I second that. He has run this country down the drain. Put women in charge of all military command post, fired all experienced male field generals, tells Justice Department to launch a probe for a thug who did not even had his hands up in Missouri, telling the nation it's okay for ISIS cutting off heads in 21st century because Crusaders did it back in 13th century, go plays golf while American Journalist gets his head chopped, disarmed the police from doing their job, can't even stand up the Vladmir Putin, let's some dumb college girl in his staff tells the Nation we need to give ISIS jobs to have them stop killing everyone, let his mother in law live in the White House, allowing millions illegals to have legal status by stroke of a pen costing us our hard earn tax dollars, have Al Sharpton invited to White House over 90 times to give him advise, should I name more.

USA is not the worlds strongest power anymore because of him. All muslims are laughing at us now. I am an immigrant. Immigrant should learn to assimilate. Some Muslims have no intentions of assimilating but want the same benefit and if anyone disagrees with their belief, they will sue and call rest of us RACIST.
Well boys, pack your bags! JohnC has brought in reinforcements! :shiftyeyes
 
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