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I thought I'd take that **** of mine also but the car runs good. And just don't need to be tracking down more engine bugs. I need to move on to suspension/interior.
 

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I bought my car with everything removed and it ran ok but a bit shaky. Then I did a maf conversion and the engine would surge like a bitch, had to set idle to like 1000 rpm or more just get it to run. I finally reconnected the ear, then the smog stuff and I'm so happy. I've been banging my head against the wall for a year almost

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The car becomes much more finicky when you do an maf conversion

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Everything is much much smoother. If you wanna remove all that stuff the computer has to be tuned I think
 

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Actually, MAF is less finicky than SD, unless you have a vac leak then the opposite is true.

The ecu does NOT need a tune to run without EGR.

Odds are, you had a vac leak in the EGR and fixed it when you put the EGR back in...

Regardless of the reason though, if it runs right... enjoy it...
 

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Ya, when I maf converted my car it sorted out surging and idle issues I was fighting for 3 years. I also think you just had a vacuum leak somewhere causing issues that were not related to the maf conversion.
 

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I had no surges w speed density. I did after the maf conversion. Erg didn't totally clear the trouble. It really got good after I installed the smog pump and moved the pins in the ecc harness connector to work for the solenoids Engine is smoother and I can set the idle lower. I guess every car is different
 

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smog pump and solenoids would make NO difference to drivability like you are describing...
Plenty of us have simply removed the pump and removed the solenoids with no issues...

I think you unkowingly fixed something when you reinstalled the emissions gear, and I'm curious as to what
 

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I'm curious too.I can assure you I checked and repaired any vacuum issues and STILL had idle and surge issues. Egr installation fixed the warm idle surges but I still had cold idle surges and I had to have the idle set really high. I reconnected the smog equipment and all the issues disappeared. The car starts immediately and goes right to base idle now.

I disagree that smog solenoids don't affect how an engine runs. The air it pumps into the exhaust and headers allow for smoother ventilation and exhaust burning plus the air is needed to keep the cats from failing prematurely. Furthermore , I've been told that the O2 sensors do a better job with smog equipment. Lastly, it really helps with the raw fuel exhaust smells. Finally the computer isn't throwing codes. That's a very strong argument for smog equipment.

I would think the computer would need a tune without all the stuff connected. Does anyone have a car that runs and idles pertfectly and smooth, without a tune and emissions equipment?
 

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Does anyone have a car that runs and idles pertfectly and smooth, without a tune and emissions equipment?
Mine ran great when I removed the emissions, just had the CEL light on.
When I did tune it (disabling the emissions functions), I didn't see a noticable difference either...
 
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My 5.0 has no emissions as well. IAC causes a surge, but it ran great for 2 years.

I did have problems with my pro-m maf and 19lb injectors, stock maf cleared it up.
 

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Does anyone have a car that runs and idles pertfectly and smooth, without a tune and emissions equipment?
I solved my EFI problems a different way. Wouldn't go so far as to call the idle smooth though ...

 
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