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I am getting ready to make the leap into purchasing some tuning software. I would like feed back on what guys are using?pros and cons .........
I already have an sct x3 tuner for my car and have done a lot of datalogging using live wire.
My question is the SCT Prp or Advantage lll tuning software worth the money?
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I had the PRP for my car for a while.

Gives you full access to everything to do what you need to
I really want to dial in my supercharger set up.
My 4r70w trans needs a little tweaking too.
Did you end up goung with another software?
 

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I just bought a Holley EFI system for my car.

You should be able to do what your trying to do with the SCT PRP
 

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Best decision I ever made was buying the PRP, learning to tune yourself is not as scary as some tuners make it seem. Having full control over my tune and being able to make changes on the fly is great. You also get the added benefit of learning how your car's PCM operates.

I highly recommend you buy SCT Pro Racer Packages PRP He will give you a base tune to begin with, making it a little easier. You also should get the book, it is very comprehensive and covers quite a lot of information.

I also recommend looking at EFIDynoTuning / Index, they have a lot of neat tricks and tips in tuning that I like to use.

And just to let you know advantage III and PRP are the same.
 

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Most guys doing tuning on this forum either use the SCT PRP package or the Binary Editor (BE) system from Popsracing.com .

Both systems work and have their pluses and minuses, the SCT system has broader support as most pro tuners use it so there are more options to have a pro work with you on the tune.

The BE system has better datalogging, broader hardware support and some additional features not available with the SCT system.

With the BE system if you already have a pro tune in the car you can read it in and use it as your starting point.

I believe the BE system also lets you access portions of the tune you can't access with the SCT system but I could be wrong about that.

The BE system also allows you to either tune via flashing your EEC, like the SCT system does, or you can use a hardware system called QuarterHorse that actually allows you to make tune adjustments in real time while the motor is running, which is pretty slick.

The BE system isn't perfect but its pretty reliable once you get it set up.

On my 02 GT I could never get data logging to work reliably with my SCT X3, even after many calls to their tech line and multiple reflashes of the SCT unit, it would never datalog reliably.

Unfortunately this is an issue with the SCT devices on our year cars but it seems to be hit or miss, it works fine for some guys but others like me just can never get it to work.

In contrast once I got it settled down the BE system has been pretty reliable.

If you are interested in BE call Adam at popsracing, if you buy the system he'll log in to your PC and get it set up and get you to the point where you can write your first tune.

He's also a well respected tuner and for addition cost will also do remote tuning.

Whichever direction you decide to go, definitely get Don Lasota's book on tuning from: LaSota Racing Ford Tuning & Training

Also the forums and sites below have useful tuning information and you can get help and suggestions from other tuners:

EECTuning.org ? View forum - Tuning the EEC....

EFIDynoTuning ? Index page

EFIDynoTuning / Index
 

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I personally use Sniper Tuning/Delta Force Tuning on my own personal car. Its very similar to SCT. I like it alot. Its what I initially learned on.

I use SCT to tune other peoples cars... because its common. Its very similar to Delta Force and very easy to use. Tons of support out there.

Quarter Horse/Binary Editor - I use it on some peoples cars that want to be different. It has the best features of all the tuning software out there. Nothing like being able to make tune changes on the fly without a reflash. I can tune a car with BE in about 1/4 of the time that it takes to do it with SCT. The data logging is also significantly faster.

My advice for a beginner - If you know nothing about tuning or motors then buy PRP.

If you have played with motors and tunign before then buy BE.

The only reason i say that is because if you get stuck with BE there is alot less support out there for it than there is for PRP. If you buy PRP and cant tune your car you can take it to any tuner in the country and they are familiar with it.
 

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Most guys doing tuning on this forum either use the SCT PRP package or the Binary Editor (BE) system from Popsracing.com .

Both systems work and have their pluses and minuses, the SCT system has broader support as most pro tuners use it so there are more options to8 have a pro work with you on the tune.

The BE system has better datalogging, broader hardware support and some additional features not available with the SCT system.

With the BE system if you already have a pro tune in the car you can read it in and use it as your starting point.

I believe the BE system also lets you access portions of the tune you can't access with the SCT system but I could be wrong about that.

The BE system also allows you to either tune via flashing your EEC, like the SCT system does, or you can use a hardware system called QuarterHorse that actually allows you to make tune adjustments in real time while the motor is running, which is pretty slick.

The BE system isn't perfect but its pretty reliable once you get it set up.

On my 02 GT I could never get data logging to work reliably with my SCT X3, even after many calls to their tech line and multiple reflashes of the SCT unit, it would never datalog reliably.

Unfortunately this is an issue with the SCT devices on our year cars but it seems to be hit or miss, it works fine for some guys but others like me just can never get it to work.

In contrast once I got it settled down the BE system has been pretty reliable.

If you are interested in BE call Adam at popsracing, if you buy the system he'll log in to your PC and get it set up and get you to the point where you can write your first tune.

He's also a well respected tuner and for addition cost will also do remote tuning.

Whichever direction you decide to go, definitely get Don Lasota's book on tuning from: LaSota Racing Ford Tuning & Training

Also the forums and sites below have useful tuning information and you can get help and suggestions from other tuners:

EECTuning.org ? View forum - Tuning the EEC....

EFIDynoTuning ? Index page

EFIDynoTuning / Index
Great info.!
I have purchased Dons DVD and have been watching it.
Thanks
 

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I personally use Sniper Tuning/Delta Force Tuning on my own personal car. Its very similar to SCT. I like it alot. Its what I initially learned on.

I use SCT to tune other peoples cars... because its common. Its very similar to Delta Force and very easy to use. Tons of support out there.

Quarter Horse/Binary Editor - I use it on some peoples cars that want to be different. It has the best features of all the tuning software out there. Nothing like being able to make tune changes on the fly without a reflash. I can tune a car with BE in about 1/4 of the time that it takes to do it with SCT. The data logging is also significantly faster.

My advice for a beginner - If you know nothing about tuning or motors then buy PRP.

If you have played with motors and tunign before then buy BE.

The only reason i say that is because if you get stuck with BE there is alot less support out there for it than there is for PRP. If you buy PRP and cant tune your car you can take it to any tuner in the country and they are familiar with it.
Thanks for your input!

---------- Post added at 12:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:30 AM ----------

Thanks everyone for the pros and cons.
I appreciate the input and will consider your opinions. I will get back when and what I purchase.
More positive experience and input is always welcome.
Cheers
 

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PRP is the bomb, Don LaSota is awesome, and Greg Banish's book Calibrated Success is also very helpful. Tuning your own car is nowhere near as difficult as many would have you believe, and you'll almost always wind up with a MUCH better tune than if you paid someone to do it.
 

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Tuning your own car is nowhere near as difficult as many would have you believe, and you'll almost always wind up with a MUCH better tune than if you paid someone to do it.
I definitely agree with the above and think more guys in this hobby should make the jump and take over the tunes on their cars.

The most dangerous part of a custom tune is WOT but fortunately that's also the easiest part of the tune to do as long as you go slow and be careful.

At WOT there are only 2 parameters you are adjusting, your AFR and your spark so as long as your fuel system is solid and you have good datalogging its not hard to do.

Following the suggestion of some tuners on here (thanks fellas) I backed my spark down 5 degrees while working on the AFR to give room against detonation.

Then when the AFR is good over the full WOT RPM range, sneak your spark back up and boom, you are done (ok, bad choice of words).
 

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I definitely agree with the above and think more guys in this hobby should make the jump and take over the tunes on their cars.

The most dangerous part of a custom tune is WOT but fortunately that's also the easiest part of the tune to do as long as you go slow and be careful.

At WOT there are only 2 parameters you are adjusting, your AFR and your spark so as long as your fuel system is solid and you have good datalogging its not hard to do.

Following the suggestion of some tuners on here (thanks fellas) I backed my spark down 5 degrees while working on the AFR to give room against detonation.

Then when the AFR is good over the full WOT RPM range, sneak your spark back up and boom, you are done (ok, bad choice of words).
Have you had any problems with the global spark adder scalar? I used it and it didn't pull any spark so I had to go into my spark table and so it that way. Of course I didn't notice this until the pull was over with and started looking at the logs.
 

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CJ, I didn't want to pull spark from the non-WOT loads so I just subtracted 4 degrees from the top load row of my spark tables.

Strange that the global spark val didn't work.

One other thing I'll be adding to my tune that I didn't know you can do that Nitemare told me about-

There are params that let you add or remove global spark from each individual cylinder.

Nitemare uses this to pull 1 degree from the back 2 cylinders that run a little hotter, ie number 4 and 8.

Somebody skilled at reading spark plugs could go further with this an optimize the WOT timing for each cylinder.
 

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CJ, I didn't want to pull spark from the non-WOT loads so I just subtracted 4 degrees from the top load row of my spark tables.

Strange that the global spark val didn't work.

One other thing I'll be adding to my tune that I didn't know you can do that Nitemare told me about-

There are params that let you add or remove global spark from each individual cylinder.

Nitemare uses this to pull 1 degree from the back 2 cylinders that run a little hotter, ie number 4 and 8.

Somebody skilled at reading spark plugs could go further with this an optimize the WOT timing for each cylinder.
I'll have to look into those parameters for sure once the cams and fuel system is finished.
 
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