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Conservatives OVERWHELMINGLY support ZERO illegal immigration. What I proposed is the only real way to make that happen. Yes, I realize that it would be INSANE to implement something like that but that is exactly what many conservatives wish could happen.

Building a wall, which, by the way, Trump has, again, claimed he will actually build so please stop with the "it's only a metaphor" argument, will do little to stop illegal immigration which is my point. I agree. We need to stem the tide but a wall is not the answer both logically and financially. Unfortunately Trump supporters DO believe it is the answer and voted Trump in on that exact promise. Now Trump is backing away from that promise, much like he would do with his investors, and is saying that "down the road" Mexico will somehow "reimburse" us for the wall so now we the taxpayer have to fund Donnies little project with no real guarantee that we will actually see that reimbursement. It's textbook Trump. He did it to his investors and he's going to do it to us taxpayers.

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Quite a few ppl know he meant a literal wall that guy talked about it in damn near every speech and debate. Now he seems to be somewhat shifty on his promises about that wall and he hadn't had a press conference in Months one can't count the random tweets here and there we're talking about where he is taking questions from the press one on one( even that seems not to happen).

So his wall promise or talks seem to become shifty just like some of the other things he would say from time to time it would just shift with the wind. So it seems like e results of that made some of the ppl that backed him become shifty on the topic which they Knew what it was just months ago. I guess to defend a go with the wind shifty type character you have to kinda go with the wind yourself and be kinda shifty on a given topic bc you don't know where that person is actually gonna be on it.

Dude is like a big unpredictable wait and see game. He came back out today talking about the wall and how it would get paid for so it's not a metaphor but I guess looking at the guy ppl are defending on that topic or various topics one could see how the confusion could come in bc who knows what he hell what he is talking about or will back away from time to time. But he has always talked about the literal wall and the crowd would say for him how Mexico would pay for it.

He isn't even in the Oval Office yet and I will just say it's interesting how things are going including that press conference today.

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You complained about Trump not having press conferences for months and then in the same post talked about the press conference that he had today.

Yes. He said he was building a wall. To what extent we will have to see. Congress approved a wall several years ago but it never got built. I wish he would say border security but if wishes were horses we would all ride.

What is interesting the avid Trump supporters want a physical wall and the liberals are going to make sure that he builds it. As a conservative I don't want to bankrupt the country on a damn wall. But I am willing to spend on increased border security and we should let the experts determine what that is. Since Congress has yet to appropriate the money we will have to see how this plays out.

I saw the press conference live. It was interesting. Trump's press secretary, Pence and Trump both condemned the fake BuzzFeed article and accused CNN of running it as well. After chastising CNN the CNN reporter demanded to be called upon. Trump refused and the CNN reporter simple wouldn't shut up demanding to be called upon after Trump called on another reporter. Trump called the reporter rude and he was. Rude and disrespectful. After the press conference I saw a report by the same reporter on CNN who said he was called aside and told if he ever did that again he would be expelled. And that another reporter at ABC asked the question he wanted to ask. The question wasn't even about CNN's part concerning the BuzzFeed article. I have a feeling it will be a long time before a CNN correspondent is called to ask a question in a Presidential briefing. CNN later said they didn't do anything wrong.

You are correct. The next four years are going to be interesting.
 

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What part of "I WILL build the wall" do you not understand? He has said, and still is saying he is going to build a physical wall. I'm not sure where you're seeing the ambiguity. What will happen when Congress comes to there senses and realizes that building a wall like that is simply not feasible, especially in regards to what we will benefit from pouring $10,000,000,000 into a wall solely for the purpose of satiating Trumps supporters along with giving him fuel when re-election time comes for him to be able to check all the boxes off and be able to claim he kept all his promises? Of course by that time any journalist that asks Trump how Mexico "reimbursed" us for the wall will be summarily ejected from the room for being "rude". We will not see an appreciable drop in illegal immigration and conservatives will figure out a way to deflect the blame.

Part of Pences time on Capital Hill has been to figure out a way to fund the wall. Since Congress is completely under Republican control they will find the money. They will earmark it "off book" by combining a bunch of "off book" appropriations that will funnel towards "the project". The saddest part to all this will be that we will be financing a monument to our stupidity.

Trumps promise of making Mexico pay for it is quickly dissipating into "We will pay for it now and get them to pay for it later". I'm certified by Dunn and Bradstreet as a collections specialist. One of the primary tenets of collection is to resolve the debt as quickly as possible. The longer you wait the lower the percentage you have of actually collecting the debt. The longer he waits the less chance there will be that Mexico actually pays for the wall. I can already see the writing on the wall(no pun intended). We are going to be on the hook for this wall and Trump will come up with some BS diversion or will point the finger at someone else like congress since he has no actual loyalties and will throw his own mother under the bus to keep from looking bad.

But none of this will matter to Trump supporters because......Clinton was a worse choice.......

I just don't get it. Conservatives elected Trump because they were tired of being lied to yet Trump is now backing off his promises and they are defending his lies. It's mind blowing the hypocrisy.

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You complained about Trump not having press conferences for months and then in the same post talked about the press conference that he had today.

Yes. He said he was building a wall. To what extent we will have to see. Congress approved a wall several years ago but it never got built. I wish he would say border security but if wishes were horses we would all ride.

What is interesting the avid Trump supporters want a physical wall and the liberals are going to make sure that he builds it. As a conservative I don't want to bankrupt the country on a damn wall. But I am willing to spend on increased border security and we should let the experts determine what that is. Since Congress has yet to appropriate the money we will have to see how this plays out.

I saw the press conference live. It was interesting. Trump's press secretary, Pence and Trump both condemned the fake BuzzFeed article and accused CNN of running it as well. After chastising CNN the CNN reporter demanded to be called upon. Trump refused and the CNN reporter simple wouldn't shut up demanding to be called upon after Trump called on another reporter. Trump called the reporter rude and he was. Rude and disrespectful. After the press conference I saw a report by the same reporter on CNN who said he was called aside and told if he ever did that again he would be expelled. And that another reporter at ABC asked the question he wanted to ask. The question wasn't even about CNN's part concerning the BuzzFeed article. I have a feeling it will be a long time before a CNN correspondent is called to ask a question in a Presidential briefing. CNN later said they didn't do anything wrong.

You are correct. The next four years are going to be interesting.
Man, crazy reading people's opinions on the press conference from opposite perspectives.

Most comments I read said that the whole ordeal was bizarre with Trump doing incoherent rambling without saying much of anything and simply talking about how great his business is, speaking in the third person, dipping and dodging every question and letting his lawyer come and deflect and then you're seeing it from your view as the negative aspect being from the reporters' end without much comment about Trump being the worst public speaker to have ever existed.

I'll admit, I was at work so I didn't watch it and I'm probably not going to take time out of my evening to devote to an hour of his face as I'm still having trouble believing that this is the reality we currently live in so I'm just making commentary on the commentary.
 

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Conservatives OVERWHELMINGLY support ZERO illegal immigration. What I proposed is the only real way to make that happen. Yes, I realize that it would be INSANE to implement something like that but that is exactly what many conservatives wish could happen.
Did you not read the last few posts? Pure conjecture and no provable fact.
Building a wall, which, by the way, Trump has, again, claimed he will actually build so please stop with the "it's only a metaphor" argument, will do little to stop illegal immigration which is my point. I agree. We need to stem the tide but a wall is not the answer both logically and financially. Unfortunately Trump supporters DO believe it is the answer and voted Trump in on that exact promise. Now Trump is backing away from that promise, much like he would do with his investors, and is saying that "down the road" Mexico will somehow "reimburse" us for the wall so now we the taxpayer have to fund Donnies little project with no real guarantee that we will actually see that reimbursement. It's textbook Trump. He did it to his investors and he's going to do it to us taxpayers.

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Again, did you read the previous posts? He cannot executive order a wall. He cannot get a wall built without funding. He needs someone to write a law, it has to get through both houses, then signed by him before he can do anything.

It's NOT going to happen. Just like Obama and Clinton can't just take away our constitutional rights, But they can nominate supreme court justices to "reinterpret" them.

Please, stop with the high emotion, low fact ranting. It doesn't further your argument, nor does it accomplish anything.
 

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Okay seriously, do those of you that voted for him seriously like what he says? Reading the transcript he just sounds so ****ing full of ****. He speaks like a six year old and uses a bunch of sentences to say nothing. He just touches on issues people care about and says he's going to fix them. Boom! What else do you need to know?

How can anyone call Obama a narcissist and then come back around and act like Trump holds any legitimacy as anything other than a moronic buffoon? Dear god lets hope Pence actually holds the reigns because Trump is a ****ing ding dong.

TRUMP: On the fence. It's not a fence, it's a wall. You just misreported it. We're going to build a wall. I could wait about a year and a half until we finish our negotiations with Mexico, which will start immediately after we get to office. But I don't want to wait. Mike Pence is leading an effort to get final approvals through various agencies and through Congress for the wall to begin. I don't feel like waiting a year or a year and a half. I'm going to start building. Mexico in some form, and there are many different forms, will reimburse us and they will reimburse us for the cost of the wall.

That will happen, whether it's a tax or whether it's a payment. Probably less likely that it's a payment. But it will happen. So remember this, OK, I would say we are going to build a wall and people would go crazy. I would then say who is going to pay for the wall? And people would all scream out, 25, 30,000 people, because nobody has ever had crowds like Trump has had. You know that. You don't like to report that but that's OK. OK. Now we agree. Finally, he agrees.

But I say, "Who is going to pay for the wall?" And they will scream out, "Mexico!" Now, reports went out last week, oh, Mexico is not going to pay for the wall because of a reimbursement. What's the difference? I want to get the wall started. I don't want to wait a year and a half until I make my deal with Mexico. And we probably will have a deal sooner than that. By the way, Mexico has been so nice, so nice.

I respect the government of Mexico. I respect the people of Mexico. I love the people of Mexico. I have many people from Mexico working for me. They are phenomenal people. The government of Mexico is terrific. I don't blame them for what's happened. I don't blame them for taking advantage of the United States.

I wish our politicians were so smart. Mexico has taken advantage of the United States. I don't blame the representatives and various presidents, et cetera, of Mexico. What I say is, we shouldn't have allowed that to happen. It's not going to happen anymore. So in order to get the wall started, Mexico will pay for the wall. But it will be reimbursed. OK?
Sweet baby jesus give me a time machine so I can just jump forward four years.
 

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Trump's spoke at the news conference the same way he did in the debates. Off the cuff and, yes, sometimes rambling. The news conference was called to discuss how he is separating himself from his business. According to federal law he has no requirement to do that because Congress specifically exempted the president and vice-president (even CNN analyst said so). But he is taking himself out of his company as much as he can without selling all of his assets. His lawyer was there to explain the details of the deal. I don't remember his name but a high powered government ethics lawyer coordinated on everything. That was enough for most of the CNN panel but not for one commentator. He made it clear he would not be happy unless Trump sold all of his assets. I have said before that I do not think that is necessary.

Then he opened the floor for questions. Trump answered 17 questions on all sorts of topics in a sometimes adversarial environment. I have never in my life seen a correspondent be so disrespectful, demanding that the president-elect call on him, as the CNN correspondent. Even after Trump had called on another reporter to ask a question the CNN reporter shouted her down demanding time. Reporters for far less have been banned from the White House.
 

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Man, crazy reading people's opinions on the press conference from opposite perspectives.

Most comments I read said that the whole ordeal was bizarre with Trump doing incoherent rambling without saying much of anything and simply talking about how great his business is, speaking in the third person, dipping and dodging every question and letting his lawyer come and deflect and then you're seeing it from your view as the negative aspect being from the reporters' end without much comment about Trump being the worst public speaker to have ever existed.

I'll admit, I was at work so I didn't watch it and I'm probably not going to take time out of my evening to devote to an hour of his face as I'm still having trouble believing that this is the reality we currently live in so I'm just making commentary on the commentary.
I watched it live he hasn't given a press conference in over 100+++ days and this one that he finally done was just.... You just wonder if this guy is serious sometimes or if this is all serious or some massive prank pulled on everyone but it's reality.

Yeah he hasn't been front and center in awhile and I'm willing to bet quite a few ppl that watched that had their forehead skin and eyebrows bunched a bit. So that's just a small opinion on it even though I pointed out he hasn't done one in quite some time.
 

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I watched it live he hasn't given a press conference in over 100+++ days and this one that he finally done was just.... You just wonder if this guy is serious sometimes or if this is all serious or some massive prank pulled on everyone but it's reality.

Yeah he hasn't been front and center in awhile and I'm willing to bet quite a few ppl that watched that had their forehead skin and eyebrows bunched a bit. So that's just a small opinion on it even though I pointed out he hasn't done one in quite some time.
Well he's not federally required to have press conferences so ain't no biggie. He should just not ever speak to the American people since it's not federally required. Best that he just stick to Twitter so nobody can question him about details of his "policy" and so he doesn't have to answer to the citizens of this country since it's not a requirement of the president. ****ing A our standards have been lowered so far and his supporters are willing to ride this motherfucker to the absolute bottom of the pit without so much a raise of the brow.
 

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Then he opened the floor for questions. Trump answered 17 questions on all sorts of topics in a sometimes adversarial environment. I have never in my life seen a correspondent be so disrespectful, demanding that the president-elect call on him, as the CNN correspondent..


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Well he's not federally required to have press conferences so ain't no biggie. He should just not ever speak to the American people since it's not federally required. Best that he just stick to Twitter so nobody can question him about details of his "policy" and so he doesn't have to answer to the citizens of this country since it's not a requirement of the president. ****ing A our standards have been lowered so far and his supporters are willing to ride this motherfucker to the absolute bottom of the pit without so much a raise of the brow.
It's kinda crazy I don't get sometimes but when I think about partisanship I do get it.
 

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Did you not read the last few posts? Pure conjecture and no provable fact.
So the Republican platform doesn't include, as one of it's major issues, immigration reform? Wasn't the argument for immigration reform on the conservative side that they were promised a wall before but only got the amnesty part so this time, now that they're in control, they get to get their wall fulfilled? I wouldn't be far off in saying that it being on the platform and the exuberance that conservatives feel about actually building a wall since Pence is up on Capital Hill trying to get the funding worked out is evidence enough as to the general consensus of conservative voters? Regardless of what anyone on here says, Trump won the election primarily on his immigration stance. The wall just brought it home.

Again, did you read the previous posts? He cannot executive order a wall. He cannot get a wall built without funding. He needs someone to write a law, it has to get through both houses, then signed by him before he can do anything.
Did YOU not read previous posts in which I stated that Pence is on Capital Hill at this very moment working out how to finance the wall and it's not getting much resistance from conservative legislators. Why would he be wasting his time if he and a majority of conservatives didn't have a chance of making it happen? Remember, they now have zero resistance because of their majority so, much like the ACA, should liberals whine about how the wall got approved without their input or votes? Are liberals going to have to "pass it to see it"?

It's NOT going to happen.
If it's not going to happen then why is Pence on Capital Hill talking to conservative legislators?

Just like Obama and Clinton can't just take away our constitutional rights,
AHA! So all this talk about how Obama and Clinton are going to take away our guns. I guess that was just bullshit right?

But they can nominate supreme court justices to "reinterpret" them.
As I told Eagle interpretation is subjective. What may mean something to you may mean something completely different to me. So to say that a justice is interpreting it the wrong way is your opinion based solely on your bias. Supreme Court judges don't typically judge on opinion. They usually judge based on facts. Even though I didn't like Scalia I respected his judgement and accepted it. I may not have liked it but he and the other justices are more knowledgeable about this than you or I.

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As I told Eagle interpretation is subjective. What may mean something to you may mean something completely different to me.
That is not entirely true. We can determine exactly what our founding fathers meant from the thousands of letters (like email) that they wrote each other. Those letters have been saved. They augment the Federalist Papers which were public newspapers at the time.

You are completely incorrect. We can determine from their writings and the original laws that they passed exactly what they meant.
 

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That is not entirely true. We can determine exactly what our founding fathers meant from the thousands of letters (like email) that they wrote each other. Those letters have been saved. They augment the Federalist Papers which were public newspapers at the time.

You are completely incorrect. We can determine from their writings and the original laws that they passed exactly what they meant.
Didn't their own viewpoints not completely line up at the time as well so therefore it's still a subjective interpretation based on all their different subjective interpretations? (I'm not being a smartass here, genuine question as it seems I've read of disagreements between the founding fathers)
 

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Didn't their own viewpoints not completely line up at the time as well so therefore it's still a subjective interpretation based on all their different subjective interpretations?
No, the interpretation was fairly clear. That was what the Federalist Paper did. They sold the people the need for the new Constitution. But there was a losing side. Those that didn't want the Constitution ratified. Those that completely objected to a strong Federalist government. There writing have been collected in the Anti-Federalist Papers.

Have you read them?
 

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Let's be clear, everyone. It's a wall, not a fence. A wall. CNN with their fake news may call it a fence, but it's a wall. The greatest wall ever, built by good people and payed for by Mexico. You'll see!
"No one has ever had walls like Trump! You know that. You don't like to report that but that's OK." - DJT
 

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"No one has ever had walls like Trump! You know that. You don't like to report that but that's OK." - DJT
What is it you want? What is it you and liberals want? Do you want to force Trump into bad decisions so that you can win the next election? I don't want that. Maybe we should see how he compromises. After all making a deal is all about compromise.

P.S. All of the hoopla is over the top. I have seen people on TV blaming him for current poverty in the United States and he hasn't even taken office yet. We need to back it off a little. Let's try to be realistic.
 

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What is it you want? What is it you and liberals want? Do you want to force Trump into bad decisions so that you can win the next election? I don't want that. Maybe we should see how he compromises. After all making a deal is all about compromise.

P.S. All of the hoopla is over the top. I have seen people on TV blaming him for current poverty in the United States and he hasn't even taken office yet. We need to back it off a little. Let's try to be realistic.
All I know is I loved this damn press conference! He called out the #FakeNews! HAHAHA! :lol


This guy is turning out to be so much better than I expected!
 

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All I know is I loved this damn press conference! He called out the #FakeNews! HAHAHA! :lol

Full Speech: President-Elect Donald Trump Holds Press Conference at Trump Tower 1/11/17 - YouTube

This guy is turning out to be so much better than I expected!
I'm retire military. I held a Top Secret clearance. There is only one thing I want to know... who leaked the top secret information. It seem that after the election every time Obama get briefed it get leaked to the public. Damn. Do any of you think that politics may be in play?

P.S. My training says that I would crucify the leakers. We do not divulge classified information. Not ever. Apparenty some in the Obama administration didn't get that message.

Folks. I don't care what Trump did or didn't do. Divulging classified is the real issue.
 
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