"I will build a great wall -- and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me --and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words." - Donald TrumpAs far as the second article goes... What did you expect? Mexico to voluntarily pay for the wall? The only way to get Mexico to contribute is to redirect the aid we give to them and to impose import tariffs on their goods. Any one with two cents of of common sense knows that "the wall" is a metaphor for border security.
P.S. I am aware that there is a core of Trump supporters that have taken his words literally. I actually know a few. I'm sure they will be disappointed but I don't really care.
Didn't we discuss the wall previous in which most of the conservatives on here talked about the merits of how a physical wall would stop, or at least majorly deter, illegal immigration? I would imagine that if you're going to put that much energy into talking about it you actually believe that a physical wall was going to be erected if Trump was elected. So what did Eagle say about common sense?Yeah, he's definitely not giving any sort of indication that he means anything other than a literal wall. Even if in his own personal mind he doesn't imagine a real wall, he's obviously, intentionally phrasing it in such a way every time he talks about it, that it is going to be a literal wall and his supporters believe this.
So yes, it will ultimately probably be some bullshit policy called "W.A.L.L." or some other moronic acronym the government always comes up with to get people on board with bullshit but Trump has not made one single statement that even begins to hint that he means anything besides a physical barrier at the border of Mexico.
LOL, I don't recall. Doesn't seem like a very "Eagle" thing to say that he supports Trump building a physical wall. I don't doubt at least somebody on here supports the idea though. Kinda silly since they already have god-knows how many tunnels bypassing barriers already.Didn't we discuss the wall previous in which most of the conservatives on here talked about the merits of how a physical wall would stop, or at least majorly deter, illegal immigration? I would imagine that if you're going to put that much energy into talking about it you actually believe that a physical wall was going to be erected if Trump was elected. So what did Eagle say about common sense?
Eagle never actually said he supported building a physical wall. His main thrust in voting for Trump was to keep the SCOTUS with a conservative majority. What he didn't take into account is all the other BS, like the Wall that we are currently discussing, that goes along with that vote that we are all going to have to endure with Trump in office.LOL, I don't recall. Doesn't seem like a very "Eagle" thing to say that he supports Trump building a physical wall. I don't doubt at least somebody on here supports the idea though. Kinda silly since they already have god-knows how many tunnels bypassing barriers already.
YOU may not have but a "YUGE" percentage of his supporters did. CHIEENAH!(Just thought I'd throw that one in there for good measure!):wink2:I want border security. Primarily I want to stop the flow of illegal drugs from coming across the border but I also want to stop (or slow significantly) the flow of illegal aliens into the country. Border security may include a wall or it may include some sort of electronic measures, an electronic wall. I think we should allow the experts to determine what works best depending upon terrain. Trump has said the same thing. He specifically mentioned no wall in mountains and increased border guards. I never in any way thought we would be building a Great Wall of China type wall along our southern border.
You're continuing to rationalize this mans lies. It's one thing to get caught up at a rally but he has double, triple, quadrupled down on a physical wall outside of his rallies so to rationalize it as "getting caught up in the rhetoric" is simply an attempt to excuse his hypocritical behavior.Yes, I know that when he had thousands of faithful shouting, "Build a Wall" he would get caught up in the rhetoric. But it really doesn't matter which side of the conservative/liberal fence you are on rhetoric makes bad policy.
So Trump disparages Rubio for his Gang of 8 association yet absconds the G8 immigration plan Rubio and other members of congress put together. Apparently his initial plan, which attracted so many of his base, is now being watered down to the same plan that the establishment originally proposed. That same establishment that was pariahed by Trump and his followers for not coming up with any workable solutions.We are not going to kick all illegals out of the country. Trump said that at first but when his campaign became more serious he backed off of it. He and Pence have both talked about border security first, kicking illegal criminals out second, and then determining what to do with the rest. Marco Rubio said the same thing in the debates. He said that because border security was never implemented last time the public is demanding that it comes first this time.
What you're talking about is essentially amnesty. The very thing Trump campaigned against.I am sure that in the end 98% (my rough guess) of the illegals will be allowed to remain here. I have said this before but it would be insane to do otherwise.
Trump floated the idea that children of illegal immigrants should not be allowed to stay in the country. What you are saying is what liberals have been saying from the start. Are you telling me that all this fuss and in the end the liberal plan gets enacted anyways? What a massive waste of resources......You might remember the Cuban kid in Florida whose mother died. His father was still in Cuba and he wanted his son back. Reporters televised body armored police pulling a crying struggling child from the outreached arms of his crying relatives to send him back to Cuba. Now imagine that image on television 15 million times as citizen children are separated from their illegal parents. No one in Congress will ever support that.
What will happen in the end is that the illegals will have to register, pay a fine and be given legal residence. I don't support citizenship but if they are given a path to citizenship that path should be a long one.
I already watched your post unfold on CNN. No comment necessary.That is all you got out of my comment?
Too bad the guy that's in the White House now didn't get that same treatment.But fiery rhetoric makes poor policy. He appears to be learning that. I have no intention of condemning someone who appears to be learning. I hope he learns a great deal more.
Man imo the social and political environment was just weird in late 2008 early 2009. The way some of the opposing politicians reacted to President Obama on the media and what not and as far as the social environment it was just smh.. Some ppl were beyond happy for various reasons but man it was like some weird pot was stirred here. I had just returned I was gone for Years and some guy yelled at me for voting for President Obama in January 2009 on post at Ft Hood as I'm walking in with a walking cane. Didn't even vote for anyone back then I just returned to the damn country after leaving in 2006. Emotions seemed to be very high on either end politically and socially back then.