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Man imo the social and political environment was just weird in late 2008 early 2009. The way some of the opposing politicians reacted to President Obama on the media and what not and as far as the social environment it was just smh.. Some ppl were beyond happy for various reasons but man it was like some weird pot was stirred here. I had just returned I was gone for Years and some guy yelled at me for voting for President Obama in January 2009 on post at Ft Hood as I'm walking in with a walking cane. Didn't even vote for anyone back then I just returned to the damn country after leaving in 2006. Emotions seemed to be very high on either end politically and socially back then.
Have you tried not being a "the blacks"?
 

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Have you tried not being a "the blacks"?
Ha. I hear ya. Haven't tried that one it May be on the impossible side but this day who knows.
 

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If I recall Obama was actually lying, or if you prefer spinning the truth. Also remember the time he decided to dress down the Supreme Court justices in a joint session of Congress. That might be why those seats were empty in later addresses.

From a conservative's point of view, the absolute best thing that the Republicans did was oppose Obama. During the first two years of his administration they learned that he had no desire to work with them. He didn't need to. After that he thought compromise was to do it his way. I clearly remember the budget compromise that he worked out with Boehner. The Republicans and Democrats in the House were ready to vote and the Obama backed out. He said there weren't enough tax increases.

I opposed Obama because of his policies and nothing else. I used to listen to his speeches and I found myself agreeing with almost everything he said but the devil is in the details. (He really is a great speaker.) In general ideals we agreed completely, in solutions not so much.

I have been reading lately that about people who are blaming all of the ills of the country on Trump. He hasn't even taken office yet! On one program I saw two people blame him for the plight of black people. How is that even possible?

I don't want to defend Trump and it sometime pisses me off that you make me do so. I didn't like the guy before the election. As a person, I don't really like him now. But he's not made any decisions, not set into place any policies, you all are bitching about what you think will happen. It's not happened yet.

You will probably find me bitching later. Trump is not a Republican. He is not a conservative. I suspect I will disagree with many of his policies. But at least I willing to wait to see what those policies are.

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Have you tried not being a "the blacks"?
I welcome the day we no longer see color. The day we can simply judge people on their own merits. I once thought we were getting close but I don't see that as happening anymore.

What I wish we could do is to eliminate race from the discussion. To separate race from economic or geographic or whatever environment. I teach at a university. Many times half my students are black. They are some of my best students. Wanting to learn, wanting to better themselves. They are polar opposites of the ghetto blacks, whites, hispanics, etc. who live in the area of town that I'm afraid to drive through.

A friend of mine (white) got lost in Detroit once. A black police officer stopped him in a black community. The officer wanted to know what he was doing there. The officer told him that he was not safe there. He ordered my friend to follow him and escorted him out of the community.

I have absolutely no solution to the problem. Many years ago in Florida a black analyst was assigned to my department. I was told he was a trouble maker. That you couldn't depend on him. He tested me one day. He wanted to do something and I said no, we needed his report. He threatened to take me to EEO. I said fine, do in on your own time but I still needed his report.

He didn't go and he became one of my best analysts. We ended up talking of many things. We were comfortable enough with each other to discuss race. Some of his examples of racism were things that many people experience. He called me naive. He had previously filed racist complaint against other supervisors but I was only naive. Considering the situation, I considered that a complement.

This was 25 years ago. He had a masters degree. He volunteered at project housing. He wanted to set a good example in a time where education was considered acting white. One time he came to work despondent, not like him at all. He simply looked at me and asked, "How do I tell a 15 year old girl to not get pregnant when she is fighting with her mother and the government is willing to give her a paycheck and an apartment."

I've always remembered that. I don't know how.
 

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Eh, all you can do is call out ignorance and not act like the issues don't exist.

I just think it's funny (well, not actually funny, sad) imagining T.Lee walking down the street only concerned about the fact that he's having to recover from injuries sustained from being a soldier and some dickface yells at him for getting Obama elected just because he's black and T.Lee was probably like "uh, what the **** are you talking about?"
 

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Eh, all you can do is call out ignorance and not act like the issues don't exist.

I just think it's funny imagining T.Lee walking down the street only concerned about the fact that he's having to recover from injuries sustained from being a soldier and some dickface yells at him for getting Obama elected just because he's black and T.Lee was probably like "uh, what the **** are you talking about?"
Crazy thing is that's in my mind that's why that guy yelled at me. I was about 5 months off of crutches and just started walking with a cane just reported to a new duty station. It was the welcome center that you start in processing at that I was walking into. I hadn't thought about voting for President Obama or politics for various reasons in late 2008.

But when this cat seen me walking into the building I guess he had some assumptions and just felt the need to give me a slight earful. I just took everything including my current physical state into mind and gave him one of those whatever type laughs as I shook my head and didn't bother responding to that crap. It seems like it was meant for some sort of response anyway. It was sort of random but like a lot of ppl know the social and political environment was in a weird storm back then.
 

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Crazy thing is that's in my mind that's why that guy yelled at me. I was about 5 months off of crutches and just started walking with a cane just reported to a new duty station. It was the welcome center that you start in processing at that I was walking into. I hadn't thought about voting for President Obama or politics for various reasons in late 2008.

But when this cat seen me walking into the building I guess he had some assumptions and just felt the need to give me a slight earful. I just took everything including my current physical state into mind and gave him one of those whatever type laughs as I shook my head and didn't bother responding to that crap. It seems like it was meant for some sort of response anyway. It was sort of random but like a lot of ppl know the social and political environment was in a weird storm back then.
Oh no, that's what I mean. That is exactly why someone like that would say something. Why else would someone assume the connection? Just a racist asshole.
 

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Oh no, that's what I mean. That is exactly why someone like that would say something. Why else would someone assume the connection? Just a racist asshole.
Yeah it's just kinda ridiculous when you think about it. I know ppl get all bent up on this and that but it's still just ridiculous all things considered.
 

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Probably one of those anti-war liberals. You know, a lesser version of the assholes that protested a soldiers burial. That church group that is anything other that church like. There is a believe that Vietnam veterans were not spit on. This denial gives them comfort. (Actually, it was sometimes worse than spit.) How do I know? I was there.

I am sorry that you had to go through that. I wish we were a better people. Sometimes we can only hope.

T.Lee, you are one of the few that put yourself above others. As a Vietnam veteran I thank you for you service. I don't know what else to say.

I really regret that happened to you.
 

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Probably one of those anti-war liberals. You know, a lesser version of the assholes that protested a soldiers burial. That church group that is anything other that church like. There is a believe that Vietnam veterans were not spit on. This denial gives them comfort. (Actually, it was sometimes worse than spit.) How do I know? I was there.

I am sorry that you had to go through that. I wish we were a better people. Sometimes we can only hope.
I don't think a church that protests holding signs that state "GOD HATES FAGS" has too many liberals in their congregation...Just a wild guess. I also doubt an anti-war liberal would yell at someone for voting FOR Obama.

I don't know many people that would not believe that Vietnam soldiers were treated like trash by some idiots during the era nor do I doubt that it still goes on today.
 

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I don't know many people that would not believe that Vietnam soldiers were treated like trash by some idiots during the era nor do I doubt that it still goes on today.
The students who became your college professors were the first in line and that includes Bernie Sanders. But that does not negate the treatment of current soldiers/veteran. I'm old. I'm ridden three times to Washington D.C. for Rolling Thunder. I ended up in the hospital twice. I have heart problems. The primary cause? I'm too old.

We need to remember our veterans. My wife thinks I will die if I ride next year. Perhaps, perhaps not. I pretty much think I'm riding next year. I don't know.

How else do I honor them?

Edit: I really hate liberals. They seem to live in some sort of fantasy world that doesn't exist.
 

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The students who became your college professors were the first in line and that includes Bernie Sanders. But that does not negate the treatment of current soldiers/veteran. I'm old. I'm ridden three times to Washington D.C. for Rolling Thunder. I ended up in the hospital twice. I have heart problems. The primary cause? I'm too old.
Well seeing that most of my professors worked on research into technologies that kill the **** out of people across the world, I highly doubt it...

Edit: I really hate liberals. They seem to live in some sort of fantasy world that doesn't exist.
LOL, jesus you been drinking tonight? You should say "I hate liberals that match the generalization I've made in my mind based on a small percentage of the group". Or are we now allowed to be correct in assuming that all conservatives are this guy:

 

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Probably one of those anti-war liberals. You know, a lesser version of the assholes that protested a soldiers burial. That church group that is anything other that church like. There is a believe that Vietnam veterans were not spit on. This denial gives them comfort. (Actually, it was sometimes worse than spit.) How do I know? I was there.

I am sorry that you had to go through that. I wish we were a better people. Sometimes we can only hope.

T.Lee, you are one of the few that put yourself above others. As a Vietnam veteran I thank you for you service. I don't know what else to say.

I really regret that happened to you.
I heard it was on the beyond terrible side back in the day for war vets.

Sorry you had to go through some of that crap if you went through some of that mess and thank you for your service man! Thank you I'm thankful I was able to serve!I know some people just get bent up on their crap for various reasons be it personal(social) or political.

He wasn't one of those anti war vets though it wasn't at the gate it was the in processing center. I have seen some of those ppl in odd protest after soldiers deaths after the shooting at Ft Hood in 2009 the police were protecting them. Signs like they deserved to die bc of he wars after that I stopped reading them and focused back on he road. They were at a Mc Donald's close to post. Some soldiers were standing there looking at them with police in between them.

Key statement though " I wish we were a better people". That's the key across the entire board.
 

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Where did you find my picture? That's a good take... don't you think so?

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He wasn't one of those anti war vets though it wasn't at the gate it was the in processing center. I have seen some of those ppl in odd protest after soldiers deaths after the shooting at Ft Hood in 2009 the police were protecting them. Signs like they deserved to die bc of he wars after that I stopped reading them and focused back on he road. They were at a Mc Donald's close to post. Some soldiers were standing there looking at them with police in between them.
I absolutely have no idea what to say.

What I hope, as a former commander, that I would have learned of it and stopped it.

T.Lee, I think race relations are the worst I've every seen it since 1969. And, I don't know what to do.
 

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I see wat you are saying Eagle. I obviously have no idea what it was like first hand back then I only know what the grands use to tell me the great aunts and uncles and my parents and aunts and uncles. Then there are documentaries that only also tell bits and pieces.

Even though this is a new day and age and it's not exactly the same as back then it's still some weird crap that goes on. Maybe the younger upcoming more open minds will continue to clean up some of these lingering problems over time. It's not solely up to them imo though bc the household and upbringing can possibly set the foundation for it all.

Gotta get off of here and continue drinking for a bit.
 

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So?

Do you think that isn't the democrat's top priority right now?

And we see that worked out well for McConnell, didn't it?
Please point to any liberal politician that disrespected whatever conservative president that had been elected the way McConnel did. Certainly there has been rhetoric within that presidents term over whatever issues was going on at the time but NEVER has a president been told that the opposing party will do everything in their power to make sure he doesn't win a second term.

As far as the Democrats all I can say is you reap what you sow.

McConnell and the Republicans may not have been able to keep Obama from winning a second term but they certainly weren't calling for calm and unity like they are now.

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Please point to any liberal politician that disrespected whatever conservative president that had been elected the way McConnel did. Certainly there has been rhetoric within that presidents term over whatever issues was going on at the time but NEVER has a president been told that the opposing party will do everything in their power to make sure he doesn't win a second term.
You can't possibly be serious. I don't consider throwing tantrums about losing (Al Gore) or implying that the Russians stole the election for Trump (Clinton) as being respectful in any way.
It's not apples to apples, but yes, they do it all the time. Either way, so what? I personally don't think it's a bad thing for your party, if they actually care, to try and get their side to win. So long as they don't cheat, lie, or steal the election... Oh wait, this is politics, so apparently only those rules are out the window.
As far as the Democrats all I can say is you reap what you sow.

McConnell and the Republicans may not have been able to keep Obama from winning a second term but they certainly weren't calling for calm and unity like they are now.

John
And to look on the other side of the coin, are the Democrats calling for calm and unity, or are they losing their minds because they lost.

Really, this is a pointless and petty argument. Would you have any faith in your party, sports team, etc if they just rolled over and showed their belly every time they lost? No, I want my team to learn from their mistakes, improvise, adapt, and overcome.
 

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Please point to any liberal politician that disrespected whatever conservative president that had been elected the way McConnel did. Certainly there has been rhetoric within that presidents term over whatever issues was going on at the time but NEVER has a president been told that the opposing party will do everything in their power to make sure he doesn't win a second term.
Harry Reid stood on the floor of the Senate and told outright lies about Republican candidates. They were not spin. They were completely fabricated lies. He couldn't be sued for slander because Senators cannot be sued for what they say on the Senate floor.
 

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Have Democrats ever said that they were going to make a concerted effort to keep any president from being successful in office? As far as Harry Reid, you need to look no further than your own primaries to find equal bile.

Durwood, you seem to be OK with the new level of low. As far as "win at any cost" how about we put the team politics aside and do what is best for the country.

You can't possibly be serious. I don't consider throwing tantrums about losing (Al Gore) or implying that the Russians stole the election for Trump (Clinton) as being respectful in any way.
It's not apples to apples, but yes, they do it all the time. Either way, so what? I personally don't think it's a bad thing for your party, if they actually care, to try and get their side to win. So long as they don't cheat, lie, or steal the election... Oh wait, this is politics, so apparently only those rules are out the window.
It's one thing to throw a tantrum because your candidate lost. It's quite another to make a concerted effort to sabotage the winners administration and in doing so hurt the country.

And to look on the other side of the coin, are the Democrats calling for calm and unity, or are they losing their minds because they lost.
Yes you are correct. Democrats aren't looking for that. Any idea why there has been a paradigm shift in trying to work things out? Maybe the landscape has changed due to extremist in your party and your candidates demeanor?

Really, this is a pointless and petty argument. Would you have any faith in your party, sports team, etc if they just rolled over and showed their belly every time they lost? No, I want my team to learn from their mistakes, improvise, adapt, and overcome.
So on the one hand your frustrated because Democrats are talking about not cooperating but at the same time you are saying the party shouldn't be such a push over and should resist. So which stance should they take?

John
 

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Have Democrats ever said that they were going to make a concerted effort to keep any president from being successful in office. As far as Harry Reid, you need to look no further than your own primaries to find equal bile.

Durwood, you seem to be OK with the new level of low. As far as "win at any cost" how about we put the team politics aside and do what is best for the country.

John
If anyone is interested and has HBO, Vice News did a good (in my opinion) documentary called "A House Divided" on why politics are so heavily divided right now. The conservatives on here probably won't like it because it generally points the finger at the TEA party as being the main culprit in pushing the parties to their respective extremes but they do really interesting interviews with John Boehner and Republican Strategist Frank Luntz (as well as other Republicans and Democrats and Obama) about how things unfolded over the course of time after Obama's election.
 

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If anyone is interested and has HBO, Vice News did a good (in my opinion) documentary called "A House Divided" on why politics are so heavily divided right now. The conservatives on here probably won't like it because it generally points the finger at the TEA party as being the main culprit in pushing the parties to their respective extremes but they do really interesting interviews with John Boehner and Republican Strategist Frank Luntz (as well as other Republicans and Democrats and Obama) about how things unfolded over the course of time after Obama's election.
You're wasting your time. It will be viewed as "liberal propaganda" or "the liberal media bias". Boehner and Luntz will be labeled as a RINO's and the unmitigated ignorance will continue.

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