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#22 ·
I dont really know Im not a tranny expert. I do know that my friends that have very serious race cars have always told me dont worry about dyno torq numbers on a automatic car , they only use the dyno b/c its safer to tune this way then finding a street and blasting a 6 sec or 7 sec car down the road and try to tune it . The dyno is a good starting point .


Dont really know why this happens , Ive seen almost identical cars with the same power adders just different tranny put down almost the same hp but different torq #s.

Usually its like 40 to 60 ft lbs off I guess it depends on the stall of the converter , or how much it slips who knows.


Pete
 
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#23 ·
silverstang said:
Hey rich, the first intake you get, just ship it my way for "testing"
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Sure, for 799.99, shipped. Test away.

Im on a wait list, probably way way way down the list. I talked to them last week. I said you should have sent me one, what better cammed head car to run this bad boy on???

TurboPete said:
A automatic car will throw the torq numbers out of wack b/c of the converter . Its never accurate.
Im the type that doesn't believe much of the magazine article b/c things can be printed incorrectly or fudged. I look at it , if it says 27 hp gains lets cut that in half lets say it gains 17 on a N/A car not to bad for my standards , but then again I have a big Turbo Kit , and I also already have the Intake , just waiting to do some testing when I get the car back from ATF.

Pete
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Good point.
 
#26 ·
currently i'm testing how much money I can get from the bank to put my car back together lol (I.E. there will be no intake manifold for me for a WHILE)........now if it was free, I might re-consider.




BUT I might be doing some testing porting the stock intake a tiny bit. We will see
 
#28 · (Edited)
Back to back as in at the track......maybe i dont know. Truth is there isnt much money or point in me wasting my time and car doing a test on the two.

For one, im a vendor so i lie anyway right, the results wouldn't mean that much to most people and shouldnt anyway, its one car, one test, we need 20joe blows to do it, see what the average differences are. And even then whats it matter?

They are two different intakes, suited for two different applications. One is a full blown racers intake really. Its for maniac modders and serious racers looking to squeeze every bit out of the car maybe within a set off rules.

Its like comparing stage III cams and Stage I cams, different intended applications. Neither is better.
 
#30 · (Edited)
mustangfan123 said:
Yeah that makes sense about what the intakes are suited for. I just got flamed for saying the stuff you said about dyno numbers not meaning much on TMS. :sorry

Its not your fault, I chose to say that stuff.
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Consider the source and dont worry about it. Some people need to tear someone else down to make themselves look bigger. Everyone is here to learn and talk cars and everyone from 14 to 80 regurgitates things, no one has seen it all and done it all. The internal combustion engine and blowers have been around over 100 years, no one here invented any of it.
 
#33 ·
Dyno numbers are just that ...dyno numbers, I believe dynos are more valuable as a tuning tool....just my opinion.

If guys want to brag about dyno numbers thats cool. whatever. I think theres a little more to this game than a computer print out.
 
#34 ·
That's interesting to know about automatics on dynomometers, I never knew that. Dyno #s are like any other numerical analysis (or any other tool for that matter): useless if taken out of context. But that doesn't mean there is no context for them.

MF, you got ripped on TMS because the original post topic was about the dyno numbers the guy set up. He interpreted your posts as flaming him. Which just about anybody would. He wasn't just passing along info he found, he set up the tests himself in order to pass it along to people before the magazine hit the newsstand.
 
#35 · (Edited)
Like I said on an old post... by Dec. of '09 year... 400hp n/a 11sec Mustangs will be bland as water.



Season just started, and its already time to spice things up:yes





.. and Rich will have a 12sec lawnmower...
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...if he dosent already!?!

 
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EfylSetaf said:
That's interesting to know about automatics on dynomometers, I never knew that. Dyno #s are like any other numerical analysis (or any other tool for that matter): useless if taken out of context. But that doesn't mean there is no context for them.

MF, you got ripped on TMS because the original post topic was about the dyno numbers the guy set up. He interpreted your posts as flaming him. Which just about anybody would. He wasn't just passing along info he found, he set up the tests himself in order to pass it along to people before the magazine hit the newsstand.
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My initial intent was and still is not to flame him, but share my opinion. I believed his results for the c&l manifold , but still, dyno numbers IMO don't mean much.
 
#39 ·
mustangfan123 said:
C&L 3V intake manifold-The Dyno results C&L didn't want you to see!!! ;) - Page 13 - The Mustang Source

Final numbers were 372rwhp, 315rwtq.
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Although that guy in the thread seemed a little wigged out, he actually made one stellar point:

"There are so many variables in track numbers that you have to be a moron to rely soley on that! Useable information from a dragstrip that can help you tell if you are making more power is your trap speed. Traction, driver, etc have a huge variable here."


He didn't mention altitude, weight reduction, or gearing either. Even trap speed is a big waste of information at times.
 
#40 ·
leebunnyz said:
did that guy svopaul make the intake or something? i never seen someone get so butt hurt to write out something that long over a 1 sentence comment.
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He is taking it pretty hard, isn't he? :dunno
And the way they're all defending themselves makes it sound like no one's ever fudged a dyno number or magazine article before....
 
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