Ok, so I plan on getting some shorty headers this spring. I know I know, do not try to change my mind. They are going to work for what I need. My question is, which ones to get, I am looking at BBK, or MAC. The MAC are cheaper, am just curious if they are pretty mush the same. The tube diameters are exactly the same.
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Obviously you are set on getting shorties. By all means don't let our knowledge or judgment sway you. Just buy them and don't be surprised or dissapointed when your butt dyno says you gained HP but a real dyno says otherwise.
A very wise person told me, "just because something looks like it flows better doesn't mean it does. I have seen some really shitty looking stuff flow great."
A very wise person told me, "just because something looks like it flows better doesn't mean it does. I have seen some really shitty looking stuff flow great."
^ I promise you I've told somebody that exact same line before.
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Yep, that would be corrrect.
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BBK Performance 4008 - BBK Shorty Headers - Overview - SummitRacing.com
" shorty headers from BBK will help your vehicle produce 8 to 15 extra horsepower"
Is Summit lieing?
" shorty headers from BBK will help your vehicle produce 8 to 15 extra horsepower"
Is Summit lieing?
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Most products are done in "perfect" conditions, so you won't get nearly the gains they did. Not to mention it doesn't mean they got 8-15hp on an otherwise stock mustang, hell doesn't even mean it was calculated on a mustang for that matter.
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Well it states its for 3.8/3.9 v6 mustangs. Even if they are under perfect condidtions the consumers car should make something along those lines or its kinda false advertisement. I beleive you guys more then BBK but It dose not seem fair to state those gains when in reality they are not close.
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You would still need to have done some serious modding. I honestly don't think you could add 20hp at the flywheel on a stock NA 3.8L Mustang even if you did a full exhaust, (LT's, x-pipe, and duals with straight thru mufflers).
K&N tells you the cold air intake gains like 14rwhp, and we all know it gives you 1-3rwhp.
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ok, guys well i just get things in my head and then i get set on them. i do not know why. but i mean if the evidence is there that you gain nothing. and anyways my k@n said i gained 6.7 hp to the wheels when i recieved it had a dyno of a stock v6 with the k&n and they sent the paper. i really do believe that you probably do. i just think that a 6 rwhp gain is something that you will not really feel. just like udp say like 14rwhp and i felt a little difference.
i do by all means understand your guys opinions and facts. i just have problems deciding what to do to my car. i look at the shortys and see that the install would be pretty easy compared to lts since i would nnot have to lay under my car and weld. then i look on am at the reviews. i suppose tho people always think their butt dynos are getting more when you pay money. ok well since you guys say lts are the better choice, i just want to know what kind of rwhp about you gain with them on a basic full bolt on mustang. and im also getting a windstar swap. then i will base my decision to change headers at all on that fact.
thank you.
i do by all means understand your guys opinions and facts. i just have problems deciding what to do to my car. i look at the shortys and see that the install would be pretty easy compared to lts since i would nnot have to lay under my car and weld. then i look on am at the reviews. i suppose tho people always think their butt dynos are getting more when you pay money. ok well since you guys say lts are the better choice, i just want to know what kind of rwhp about you gain with them on a basic full bolt on mustang. and im also getting a windstar swap. then i will base my decision to change headers at all on that fact.
thank you.
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The K&N doesn't tell you they tuned the car after the CAI was installed. The 6rwhp was more than likely from advanced timing.
never trust what the product seller tells you it will do. It is fabbed or maybe the humidity was incredibly lower than usually and they dynoed it on that day. you never know, but what is known is you won't get anywhere near 6rwhp just by adding a K&N CAI.
Hell, a demon coil pack claims increased performance.
You're a very gullible person and I would like to sell you some farm land on the moon.
But in all seriousness, your K&N doesn't provide you 6rwhp and doesn't do any more than an eBay intake. Infact if you got the k&n FPIK the eBay intake that goes into the fender may be better. Anyway its your car so if you want to waste your money you can go ahead and buy the shorties. Well I mean if you buying them for show reasons and going to get the ceramics, or your stockers are cracked then your not wasting a dime.
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besides the headers arugement. For you car I would go several differnt ways. Make it more visually pleasing for your taste, make is handle better and go with springs,shocks, swaybars , or if your going for power save for turbo/supercharger/nitrous. Or a little bit of all.
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Yeah, MAF CLEANER claims 5-7 rwhp gain. Uh. No. NEVER believe numbers man, you really don't want to pay attention to numbers much in my opinion. It's one thing to buy a part because so many people swear by it being reliable and beneficiary, a whole other thing to buy a part because "Summitt says it gains x amount of HP" without doing any more research. Codeman you have seemingly been doing a ton of research to make your car go, and I applaud that because it helps everyone. This is just one of those things (shorty headers) that I've have "known" since having the car, that its a pointless mod. Just like knowing a Miata will destroy us in the corners.
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In summits defense, I highly doubt they did any testing on the product, and most likely took the claims from BBK themselves. Therefore they aren't really falsely advertising anything, they are just going off the information they were given. Not to mention just becaust the BBK headers for say they are for the 3.8/3.9 v6 mustangs the description given say they will give your vehicle 8-15hp. It never mentions mustang in the description... sounds like a general description for all BBK shorties.
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alright. and as far as the me being crazy, i am just saying in the box with the k&n there was a dyno sheet. and as far as being gullable however you spell it, i know that companies over estimate their products. as far as the shortys i was just reading the reviews on am and those people all seemed like they liked them and that they added performance. and the cai,well i guess i have never dynod my car or anything so im not sure. i guess i will just take ur word. i would appreciate if you would give me an estimate on the rwhp you would gain with lts?
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I agree that shortys are a waste of money. imo...if you want to spend money on exhaust either get a set of high flows cats or my personal fav...e cutouts for paformance.
What I dont understand is why you think our cars are loud?? And why do you own a mustang and want it to be quiet?? Cmon man...You cant honestlly tell me sitting behind this screen and tell me you dont want your car to rumble.
What I dont understand is why you think our cars are loud?? And why do you own a mustang and want it to be quiet?? Cmon man...You cant honestlly tell me sitting behind this screen and tell me you dont want your car to rumble.
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my car is already loud. And trust me i love loud cars and drag cars. I love everything loud, but right now with the 3.73s and the dual exhaust and glass packs on the highway it is a tad loud. I mean i am used to it, but i just do not know how much louder lts will make it, but someone says that they just fill the tone and if they don't make it way louder i think i can live with the loud highway driving. I just drive a lot of highway roughly 200 miles a week. But it is nothing the radio cranked cant change.
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You could always put a resonator on each pipe if it gets too loud. shouldn't cost much and honestly would probably give you a better tone by eliminating any raspiness any cutting out more of the higher tones. Keep us posted on what you choose and how you like it. You know we're always here to help if you have any issues.
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Honestly keep the stockers until your flowing more air. I had the factory exhaust manifolds till 331rwhp. They flow better than most give credit. Spend the money elsewhere.
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