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If one were to go about it....how? ford explorer parts? escape? awd tempo?
it's gotta stay standard.
f150 has 4wd/ 5 spd. obv custom driveshafts and more would have to be made but what else.

any other ideas of where to grab parts from? it doesn't seem like it would be overly hard but i could be wrong.


please leave this thread clean of don't do it's as that's not what i'd consider "informative" which is all this thread calls for.

thanks!!
 
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would have to raise the car a chunk, with a 4.6 under the hood you don't really have room for fwd stuff. You might be able to work with something from a lincoln continental for the front wheels and figure out how you are supposed to drive the rear from there. Why though, rwd is just fine.
 
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if you have the money you can do anything... some creation with an F150 drivetain... transfer case/front diff ect. I think they were independent fronts and not a solid axle up front. In theory it could work but the amount of fabrication would be crazy. I'm not even sure how everything would fit up front.

If you want AWD, get an STI or EVO. ha ha

Which, happen to be amazingly fun cars as well.
 
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evo's and sti's are fun but i've already owned a 440 awhp talon. no more 4 bangers.
i love the mustang and i'll be keeping it for very many years to come...why not do something different right?

rwd is great amounts of fun so why go awd? it's race related. simply just because i'm an auto-x/lapping guy all the way. imagine wiping the floor with every single car i race?
awd mustang would OWN.
have you ever seen one before? THAT'S another great reason i want to do it. see my sig, my car is unlike other mustangs. what can i say, i wanna be different.
i don't do donuts ever, so besides that...whats the reason not to besides the amount of work? awd can still go completely sideways around corners don't forget and with far greater control too!

i have a buddy with a machine shop and all other fab work/welding would be done myself.


think of it like this.
i'm either making an awd mustang with a TURBO mod motor.
or i'll stay rwd and do an LQ4 swap and boost that with cobra IRS.



soo....
what do you guys think would be easier?
modding a fwd 4.6 to work?
or modding an f150 w/ 5 spd trans and 4x4.

(i don't want any smart awd system BS, just 60% front 40% rear type deal.)

even if you just have guesses, post them up. all help and ideas may lead to the proper combination!

f150 is the only 4.6 with 4x4 and standard trans correct?
 
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love2cruz said:
evo's and sti's are fun but i've already owned a 440 awhp talon. no more 4 bangers.
i love the mustang and i'll be keeping it for very many years to come...why not do something different right?

rwd is great amounts of fun so why go awd? it's race related. simply just because i'm an auto-x/lapping guy all the way. imagine wiping the floor with every single car i race?
awd mustang would OWN.
have you ever seen one before? THAT'S another great reason i want to do it. see my sig, my car is unlike other mustangs. what can i say, i wanna be different.
i don't do donuts ever, so besides that...whats the reason not to besides the amount of work? awd can still go completely sideways around corners don't forget and with far greater control too!

i have a buddy with a machine shop and all other fab work/welding would be done myself.


think of it like this.
i'm either making an awd mustang with a TURBO mod motor.
or i'll stay rwd and do an LQ4 swap and boost that with cobra IRS.



soo....
what do you guys think would be easier?
modding a fwd 4.6 to work?
or modding an f150 w/ 5 spd trans and 4x4.

(i don't want any smart awd system BS, just 60% front 40% rear type deal.)

even if you just have guesses, post them up. all help and ideas may lead to the proper combination!

f150 is the only 4.6 with 4x4 and standard trans correct?
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it's not practical, why do you think it hasn't been done. Not only are you going to spend tons of money and have to create a lot of fab pieces, but when you break stuff auto/x (which by no doubt you will) you're going to either be screwed or spending 2-3x more to fix it.

It'd be different if you were making it into something youre just going to drive, and show. But as far as racing it...it doesn't make sense.
 
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Please post information related to the job, not whether i should do it or not.

i can and will decide that part myself.
i just need to know what parts would be the best to work with so i don't have to make ALL new parts from scratch. i know a lot will have to be made but that's more than fine with me.

and don't worry, when i fab it's not half assed. it's my car and my life on the line, i'll make things stronger and heavier than they need to be, i don't give a **** about weight.

when i say this is going to be a race car...i mean...i'm replacing all my body panels (AND VERT TOP) with cf eventually. that alone is MASSIVE amounts of work and ppl will also tell me not to do that but i'm going to and it's gonna be badass.


what about my RWD civic hatchback i'm gonna build? i've also been told not to do that lol, but i will.

i'm different what can i say.

any relative help/thoughts/ideas would be greatly appreciated.
thanks guys
 
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Thanks!

Damn this info sucks to hear. very good point though.

Think about it, the back of your motor is already atleast 1 foot behind the front tire...then add in tranny...then in order to make it AWD you'd have to run a transfer case...so now your talking about a transfer case being atleast 5 feet behind the front tire, it could be done but wouldnt be very effective.
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but another point i saw that kinda made me think how i was at the beginning....

the rally foxes are just AWD 5.0 conversions, you just need a 5.0 f-150 AWD tranny, and the axles and your done with some tweaking
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i mean...if it's gonna be impossible with where the engine sits i obv won't bother. but i think it 'could" be done.
 
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wish I could help with more info, but since it hasn't been done, there isn't much out there.... trial and error is how new things are created!

The point about the TC being so far behind the engine is a good one... i hadn't thought of that either. I mean to fix that, you would need the engine further front, meaning new frame/front end... which means a longer car which won't help the auto-x.

Nothing is impossible... but there is a point at which things aren't worth the time/cost for the end product. But I say try it! You may be better off putting the Mustang body onto a custom tube chasis with your own driveline. That really could be the easier and most efficient way to do it.

You already addressed with with your carbon fiber plans, but don't forget the AWD system will add some heft to our already heavy mystangs. The loss through the drivetrain is another thing to consider but can be overcome with more power!
 
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knb13 said:
The point about the TC being so far behind the engine is a good one... i hadn't thought of that either. I mean to fix that, you would need the engine further front, meaning new frame/front end... which means a longer car which won't help the auto-x.
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that's true. and i mean if that's all i need to stop me from a realistic project then so be it and it really doesn't bother me that much. i would never do it and have a shitty turnout because of it. custom tube frame is a good idea and by this point it would need it anyways with my plans for the car. but the whole engine forward thing i'm not considering, if it has to be done i won't do it.

You already addressed with with your carbon fiber plans, but don't forget the AWD system will add some heft to our already heavy mustangs. The loss through the drivetrain is another thing to consider but can be overcome with more power!
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when this happens, it'll be at least 600+ to the wheels or i wouldn't consider it worth it at all. so most things are going to have to be changed anyways by this point.
 
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It seems like using a Fox Body Mustang is your best choice if you want to go AWD since it's been done before and doesn't look too bad. I think you should go for it tho. I mean come on if you can do that in a New Edge Mustang, you could pretty much do anything then haha.
 
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i have no info on this but it sounds really cool and to the people bashing him, just stop. he doesnt want to hear "dont"s he wants to hear how's
 
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Apparently Smoothgrandmama thought my original statement above was mean to you OP. He decided he wanted to leave me neg rep for it which is complete bullshit. Anyways...OP if that offended you in anyway I'm sorry. I was just stating my opinion that's all.
 
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The idea intrigues me. Not because I think it would be awesome. I have some complaints about the idea, but none the less it sounds like a lot of fun.

Here is how I would tackle it. I'd take a different motor and drop it in for starters. The 4.6 is TOOO wide and not enough displacement. I'd drop in a LSx motor. I know, lame, but they are sooo much smaller side to side. Then I'd get an planetary gear AWD transmission. Similar to the ones they used in the old series B rally cars. Then the tough part, getting the front diff on the car. You might steal the guts from an F150 4x4 for the front axles and hubs, then create your own K member to hold the motor possibly offset so the front corner weight balances out with the diff. Stager the front diff and the motor so you get more clearance for the drive shaft and the diff while still maintaining a balanced weight.

It's a hell of an undertaking, but it could be cool. Most AWD cars are built with a transaxle and a motor so small and forward that the wheels are straight out to the side of the transaxle. But the mustang is no where near that same design. I advise looking at some of the old Rally car stuff, Series B had some creative solutions that you might find helpful.
 
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i'm different what can i say.
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Yes i like someone with the spark to make something different/think outside the box instead of doing what everyone else does. Mustang's would be boring if everyone just did the same thing and got wheels, lowered, and the regular bolt ons. I say its going to be borderline insanely hard to do but the outcome would be very unique and cool bc most everyone has never seen a AWD stang.
 
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