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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Codeman said:
FORD will never replace the V8. At least I hope not. The V8 is what makes an american car. The v8 is what makes the GT a muscle car. That is just my 2 cents. I will be sad if they ever get rid of the v8.
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I don't think they will either; I'm sure back in the 70s everyone thought the V8 would be dead then too, and instead it's gotten better and more efficient.
 
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a 5.0 ecoboost would be the new terminator man lol. i dont think they would call a car that would probably make 600hp "ecoboost" either.

don't expect any twin turbo 5.0 to make it into the GT anytime soon. the amount of $$ it would cost and all the refinements necessary for all that power would push the price into gt500 territory. plus ford engineers already said its almost impossible to fit twin turbos in the engine bay.

if anything the 2014 5.0 would most likely make power levels similar to the boss 302. probably higher redline and DI.

andi would hope they never get rid of the V8, i mean what am i supposed to buy when in the future:p. ive been doing alot of research on the 2014's because i plan my next car to be a 2014 GT;)
 
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ESG-642T said:
You mean slamming air into the engine via FI.
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Yes, a turbo/supercharger does physically push air but that's not what I meant. If it was only slamming air into the engine, fuel economy wouldn't go down. All that air requires more fuel. So while it does physically move air, is slams fuel/air into the engine (I just chose not to include air b/c I'm talking about mpg).
 
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03SonicBoom said:
Yes, a turbo/supercharger does physically push air but that's not what I meant. If it was only slamming air into the engine, fuel economy wouldn't go down. All that air requires more fuel. So while it does physically move air, is slams fuel/air into the engine (I just chose not to include air b/c I'm talking about mpg).
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It could only force air , and you could add no fuel... you would just go lean and kaboom but its been done before several times!
 
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03SonicBoom said:
Yes and you would get 0 mpg's. That's not an applicable point for the topic at hand.
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Thats not what I meant ...

Never mind, I also just realized you said...

03SonicBoom said:
I keep hearing about these small engine turbo motors that have high fuel efficiency but I can't seem to find one. The EVO and STI both have small motors and don't get any better gas mileage than the current V8s.
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You picked two cars that obviously nobody is buying for gas mileage :p
 
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ESG-642T said:
You picked two cars that obviously nobody is buying for gas mileage :p
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Yes, because those are two of the best small engine FI cars that give V8s a run for their money. They have 2.0L and 2.2L engines (at least I believe that's the size, not verified) and get V8 gas mileage. I can not think of a small engine car (w/ FI) that gets good gas mileage and competes w/ V8s. You either get great gas mileage or performance (regardless of engine size).
 
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03SonicBoom said:
Yes, because those are two of the best small engine FI cars that give V8s a run for their money. They have 2.0L and 2.2L engines (at least I believe that's the size, not verified) and get V8 gas mileage. I can not think of a small engine car (w/ FI) that gets good gas mileage and competes w/ V8s. You either get great gas mileage or performance (regardless of engine size).
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My old man said back in the 70s they were trying to get gas mileage out of the big cars and so they would put these relatively small displacement engines in these big cars and bragged it would be great gas mileage.

So he had a '79 LTD with a straight 6, and it was such an anemic dog of an engine, in such a heavy car, that you end up getting worse mileage than a V8 in the same thing would have from simply having to work the thing so hard to get going anywhere.
 
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Trick Tuners said:
Have you guys seen the new hyundai sonata 2.0 I4 turbo? 274hp @6000 and 269 ftlb @ 1750. MPG is 22/34.
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Yes and I would hardly call 22 mpg good gas mileage for a I4. I would call that pretty terrible mileage for a 4 cylinder car. I mean, what's the gas mileage on the new V6 Mustang (I really don't know but I believe it's very similar and has a significantly larger displacement)?

The fact is the same, it takes fuel to make power. You can get that extra fuel through displacement or FI.
 
#33 ·
The new v6 is 19/31.
The honda civic gets 26/29 with a whopping 140hp. So yeah, i'd take the hyundai turbo with 134 more hp and 5 mpg better highway mpg, and give up the 4mpg city in a heartbeat.
 
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03SonicBoom said:
Yes, because those are two of the best small engine FI cars that give V8s a run for their money. They have 2.0L and 2.2L engines (at least I believe that's the size, not verified) and get V8 gas mileage. I can not think of a small engine car (w/ FI) that gets good gas mileage and competes w/ V8s. You either get great gas mileage or performance (regardless of engine size).
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They put 2.5's in some of the new STI's I believe. Not sure about the evo.
 
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Trick Tuners said:
The new v6 is 19/31.
The honda civic gets 26/29 with a whopping 140hp. So yeah, i'd take the hyundai turbo with 134 more hp and 5 mpg better highway mpg, and give up the 4mpg city in a heartbeat.
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Yes, but I'm not talking about performance at all. I CLEARLY stated they can have superior performance. They just don't have the "fuel efficiency of a 4 cylinder" that marketing claims.

The new Fiesta gets 4 cylinder efficiency of 29/38. In this day, low 20s city, for a 4 cylinder is nothing to brag about.
 
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03SonicBoom said:
Yes, but I'm not talking about performance at all. I CLEARLY stated they can have superior performance. They just don't have the "fuel efficiency of a 4 cylinder" that marketing claims.

The new Fiesta gets 4 cylinder efficiency of 29/38. In this day, low 20s city, for a 4 cylinder is nothing to brag about.
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My brother's '02 Focus is rated at 29/36. That's a 2.0 with a whopping 110 hp. Now he does get roughly those numbers in real life, but it's at such a sacrifice to performance and driveability that it can get frustrating. It can barely accelerate out of its own way.

I'd be willing to knock off 5 mpg highway if I had a car with nearly 3 times the horsepower and far greater performance and responsiveness.

Now if gas were to get back above $4 a gallon, I'd quickly change my mind. But a 305 hp V6 with 31 mpg potential is an amazing combination. Is it worth giving up that much performance to get a few digits more on the highway?
 
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Barricade81 said:
My brother's '02 Focus is rated at 29/36. That's a 2.0 with a whopping 110 hp. Now he does get roughly those numbers in real life, but it's at such a sacrifice to performance and driveability that it can get frustrating. It can barely accelerate out of its own way.

I'd be willing to knock off 5 mpg highway if I had a car with nearly 3 times the horsepower and far greater performance and responsiveness.
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AGAIN, this is not what I'm saying. I've stated SEVERAL times that the performance of small engines that use FI is great. The ONLY thing I'm talking about is the phrase they keep using in the commercials, "...with the fuel efficiency of a 4 cyclinder car."

I'll state it again, they can make power but they sacrifice fuel efficiency b/c it takes fuel to make power.
 
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^ you are right

it doesn't matter the engine size, it matter how much fuel is being used obviously:eek:

a 2.0L I4 running 20lbs of boost would get the same mpg as a decent sized v8. the only thing that can help hwy gas is a steep overdrive gear.

look at the ls3 corvette, its still rated at 26 hwy because of the steep overdrive gear.

so city gas mileage is where its hard for a high hp motor to get good mileage. see the new v6 mustang only gets 19 city still. and the ls3 corvette is 16 city. id bet that the boosted 2.0 I4 i mentioned earlier probably gets around the same maybe around 20 city. boost=more fuel
 
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the only reason they market it as getting the gas mileage of a 4 cylinder is because most people dont go above say 3k rpms for daily driving and witha turbo your not really using it too much under say 2.5k so in the top end you have amazing power but in the low end you still maintain that gas mileage
 
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