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In other words ... Ive got alot of **** to take apart ...
Well... the first 2 cams that went in my car went in with .... almost no last adjustments, actually NONE, {bolted down the rocker arms just the way they were}until a week later when I got back to my parents house to do it and it wasn't close to that loud. Maybe a quiet tick, but i could barely hear it over the exhaust with the hood down.

Lets look at the situation:

A.) Removed cam and noticed worn cam bearing
B.) Installed CPS gear incorrectly (lead to no oil pressure)
- Car was ran without oil for 8-9min?
C.) Re installed everything
D.) Car was ran again with no oil pressure for 1min ish
- Due to oil pump not being put back on


So you've had at least 10min on metal to metal, and it seems to have been idling at around 1500-2000 while that was going on. Logical thing to do would be to go 4.2 now.
 
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Well Im think 5-6 mintues total all together. But still thats close enough to 10 ... thats alot of time with no oil pressure...

those cam bearings are an iffy ... I still cant figure out how they would have been damaged like that from normal use at 50k miles on the engine ...

and lets ignore what I did that last time with the filter ... at was like 30 seconds at most.

But every second counts and your probably right. Its probably ****ed... I think Ill take the intakes off. try the lash theory. if thats really doesnt solve this. I guess I need to look into a new engine .... which is ****ing crazy when mine has 50k miles on it .... taking a perfectly good car and ****ing it up .... gotta love it !


So does anyone know of some good threads on 4.2 swaps ... ??? I have no clue what that consists of at this point. never looked into any of the threads started on it.
 
Well Im think 5-6 mintues total all together. But still thats close enough to 10 ... thats alot of time with no oil pressure...

those cam bearings are an iffy ... I still cant figure out how they would have been damaged like that from normal use at 50k miles on the engine ...

and lets ignore what I did that last time with the filter ... at was like 30 seconds at most.

But every second counts and your probably right. Its probably ****ed... I think Ill take the intakes off. try the lash theory. if thats really doesnt solve this. I guess I need to look into a new engine .... which is ****ing crazy when mine has 50k miles on it .... taking a perfectly good car and ****ing it up .... gotta love it !


So does anyone know of some good threads on 4.2 swaps ... ??? I have no clue what that consists of at this point. never looked into any of the threads started on it.

4.2 shortblock with a tune
 
Well Im think 5-6 mintues total all together. But still thats close enough to 10 ... thats alot of time with no oil pressure...

those cam bearings are an iffy ... I still cant figure out how they would have been damaged like that from normal use at 50k miles on the engine ...

and lets ignore what I did that last time with the filter ... at was like 30 seconds at most.

But every second counts and your probably right. Its probably ****ed... I think Ill take the intakes off. try the lash theory. if thats really doesnt solve this. I guess I need to look into a new engine .... which is ****ing crazy when mine has 50k miles on it .... taking a perfectly good car and ****ing it up .... gotta love it !


So does anyone know of some good threads on 4.2 swaps ... ??? I have no clue what that consists of at this point. never looked into any of the threads started on it.
If your willing to fund my gas mileage, I'll make the drive.
 
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Kyle ... Define that. For all I care, id pay it, and let you sleep in my bed and me pile up covers on the floor while your here ...
Like I said, my dad's here one day, and he cant spend all of it on my ****.
Im working in my car port right now. Obviously I cant swap an engine in my car port.
I have a shop I could do all of this in, but the two bays are taken up by a 70 challanger that cant be rolled out, and a 67 mustang that needs the front suspension put back on to roll out ...
I have a car trailer I could take my stang out to it on. Its a good 15 minutes or more to it from my house.

Im in school Mondays and thursdays from 8- 4:00-5:00pm its a 45 minutes drive there ...
I need lots of study time on this **** too ... paramedic school aint easy ...

Right now im working nights, 7p-7a, days are unknown till i see the schedule a month at a time.

The drive from CS to SS is like what 6 hours ??? You wouldnt want to make that trip everyday for sure ...

Id love to work something out, but i have alot to work around ...
 
Kyle ... Define that. For all I care, id pay it, and let you sleep in my bed and me pile up covers on the floor while your here ...
Like I said, my dad's here one day, and he cant spend all of it on my ****.
Im working in my car port right now. Obviously I cant swap an engine in my car port.
I have a shop I could do all of this in, but the two bays are taken up by a 70 challanger that cant be rolled out, and a 67 mustang that needs the front suspension put back on to roll out ...
I have a car trailer I could take my stang out to it on. Its a good 15 minutes or more to it from my house.

Im in school Mondays and thursdays from 8- 4:00-5:00pm its a 45 minutes drive there ...
I need lots of study time on this **** too ... paramedic school aint easy ...

Right now im working nights, 7p-7a, days are unknown till i see the schedule a month at a time.

The drive from CS to SS is like what 6 hours ??? You wouldnt want to make that trip everyday for sure ...

Id love to work something out, but i have alot to work around ...

It takes ME by myself an entire day (like if I'm up at 7am I'll be done before 10pm) to do a 4.2 swap... So, if I gave you the "do this before I get there list" I'm sure we could have it done on a saturday-sunday or sunday-monday
 
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Well, the next issue my friend, is this
ATM
like I said, I do not have a place to do. Unless I can get my shop opened up some. Now if that was the case, we could sleep at my grandma's house. Goos sized house thats just a short walk up the pasture to it. She always likes company anyways.
Next is my issue of, I dont have a 4.2 sitting around ... -_-
Nor do I want to put something with 150k miles on it in my car ... I had a 50k mile engine .. still pretty young ... I bought the car for something that would last me a good long while...
So to have a good, rebuilt engine that would last me forever, Id need to hopefully find a good one already, or, put some $$$ into it ...
How much that costs, and to what extent it takes to do ? IDK
 
He had assembly lube on the cam and bearings so its not like they were bone dry. The lube should help protect it for at least half of the time he had the car running. The stuff is pretty thick. It really sounds like valve terrain noise. Have you tried re torquing the rockers or at least taking off the valve covers to see what it looks like under there?
 
He had assembly lube on the cam and bearings so its not like they were bone dry. The lube should help protect it for at least half of the time he had the car running. The stuff is pretty thick. It really sounds like valve terrain noise. Have you tried re torquing the rockers or at least taking off the valve covers to see what it looks like under there?
The rockers are the next thing he can do yes, but i wouldn't trust lube for 10min...

Plus the fifty or so cranks I'm sure mike tried when the crankshaft sensor wasn't plugged in.

That still doesn't account for the REST of the bearings in the motor -
 
The rockers are the next thing he can do yes, but i wouldn't trust lube for 10min...

Plus the fifty or so cranks I'm sure mike tried when the crankshaft sensor wasn't plugged in.

That still doesn't account for the REST of the bearings in the motor -
No, 10 minutes is waaayyy too long, but 2 or 3 maybe. Plus there should be some residual oil on the other bearings. . . . .Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there isn't any damage, cause there could very well be (more than likely so). I was just saying that the engine wasn't exactly "bone dry". It also just really sounds like valve terrain noise to me. Of course I'm not there nor am I a professional so I take what I say for what it is (an opinion).
 
No, 10 minutes is waaayyy too long, but 2 or 3 maybe. Plus there should be some residual oil on the other bearings. . . . .Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there isn't any damage, cause there could very well be (more than likely so). I was just saying that the engine wasn't exactly "bone dry". It also just really sounds like valve terrain noise to me. Of course I'm not there nor am I a professional so I take what I say for what it is (an opinion).
Q: If the dipstick reads nothing, would you consider that bone dry? Just curious

Anyway, never know... A rocker arm could have fallen off and be sitting under the valve covers.
 
i understand esg that there may be some damage, but that doesnt mean its catastrophic, it sounds like mike has a lot going on right now, so a swap if not absolutely necessary might not be best if its not. Nobody is trying to take away from your knowledge E, i've hardly ever responded to your posts but i've read enough of your posts to know you know what your talking about. You've never led me to believe anything otherwise. All we want is whats best for mike at the moment. if its only top end damage then great, and the fact you'd drive that far to help a friend really attests to your character.

edit: sorry E, you're a much faster typer than me. yeah i just wanna know what the extent of the damage is before we say its def. motor has to come out.
 
Q: If the dipstick reads nothing, would you consider that bone dry? Just curious

Anyway, never know... A rocker arm could have fallen off and be sitting under the valve covers.
Just because there isn't oil on the dipstick does not mean there isn't any in the pan. The dipstick only reads about 2 quarts if I'm not mistaken. If you're 2 quarts low then the dipstick would be dry. I remember workin at the shop and that's how we changed oil when the computers crashed. Put three quarts in, then added a quart after checking each time. I'm not tryin to argue with you man (as you know a **** ton more than I), but oil does leave a residue. It may not last long once started, but it is there.
 
You know in these videos , Mike isn't talking to himself lol he's talking to me....

I think I know more about his engine than everybody in this thread , with the exception of him.


Anyway, anybody wanna take me up on a 50$ bet? Go drain all your oil until the dipstick is dry. Lube cam with assembly lube, and make sure the oil pump isn't working and run the car for 10min between 1500 and 2000.

Oh, I think I've taken enough motors apart to know how far down a dipstick goes into a standard oil pan ;), don't you?


Anyway, the rockers will be checked of course before we move on.
 
I had a feeling that was who he was talking too... Wonder why?..... nah just screwing with ya, though i did lol like a mother when i heard him say, "sounds like shits blowing up". he was so damn calm when he said it too. never heard anybody say it like that.
 
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