in a stock 5.0L, what other parts do I need to put this cam in? injectors, fuel pump, MAF sensor? ya know stuff like that
E303 cam?
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I care because it isn't the best cam you can get for your money. I don't follow the good enough mentality... it's easy for people like you to recommend a letter cam to someone because it's not your money you're spending. How about giving the facts about them and letting them make their own choice. this is what I aim to do. Bring the the table the fact that there are better cams for the money out there and that if they educate themselves a little first, they may avoid being that guy who realizes his mistake later on and has to buy a cam twice. Some people may be perfectly happy with a 303 cam, some people won't be. If nobody contradicted you in this thread there may have been someone who read this thread and thought you knew what you were talking about and bought a letter cam without considering other possibilities.
Telling someone to choose a cam based on lope/sound is misinformation. I realize lots of people like the sound of a lopey idle, but like myself and others have mentioned, there are cams that will make more power than a letter cam that will still give you the aggressive sound they're looking for.
My arguments are for those people that will possibly see this thread and aren't of the "throw parts at it crowd". To the guys who want the most for their money and are willing to go the extra mile and do their homework to put together a car that not only sounds good, but runs well for the money spent. This is for the guy who will actually degree his cam, measure for the right pushrod length, and get the correct valvesprings for their combination. Not everyone just wants to slap whatever parts in that some guy recommends on the internet. I don't claim to know everything, but I've done my homework, and have built more than one engine the correct way. Hopefully my and the other guys advice in this thread can steer those people in the right direction. To you and the other guys with the same mentality, make sure that you're clear about the fact that you're not a true enthusiast about these cars before making suggestions for parts.
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Learn to ask someone what they want before saying that what you've done is the only "best" way for their situation. Generally those other cams that make more power cost more money......In the case of the OP, his budget was limited, all he really wanted was the sound of the cam in his car. He didn't want to be told, "well if you spend more money......" He wasn't trying to build the best combination possible right now. He just wanted to make sure that he got a list of what he needed for what he was doing at this moment in time...........And he certainly wasn't trying to be told that his decision makes him stupid.
My bad, I didn't know you wrote the definition of "true enthusiast" for all to abide by
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So someone would really want to sacrifice power, idle quality, and drivability when there's no difference in cost? Sounds crazy to me. Like I said, if you're purposely looking for a lesser cam, then by all means.......buy the letter cam. Although I can't see anyones goal being that.
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I actually just looked up the price of several cams on SummitRacing.com .......The Ford letter cams have really jumped up in price lately. Just two years ago I bought my E cam from Tousley Ford for $125. Summit now sells it for $199.95 and Summits price on the Edelbrock version of the E cam is $229.95 ........ At this point, it puts the price of TFS 1 and 2 cams at less than the E cam. I know that even the TFS 1 cam is better than the E cam and it sounds the same (at least in my opinion anyway.).......The Lunati and Comp cams are still ridiculously overpriced in my opinion.
Personally, I would love to see what a custom cam would do for my combination since I've believe for awhile that I might see around 290rwhp with something better and a tune to optimize it. I just think that the $125 that I paid is hard to beat for what I've got compared to $300+ for a new cam that might only net me 15 or so hp.
Personally, I would love to see what a custom cam would do for my combination since I've believe for awhile that I might see around 290rwhp with something better and a tune to optimize it. I just think that the $125 that I paid is hard to beat for what I've got compared to $300+ for a new cam that might only net me 15 or so hp.
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The whole reason I chose Fords cams over Lunati Voodoo or Comp Cams is because they have the "easy kit" from Jegs when the other ones do not.
Im sure there are better cams but after browsing the market the letter cams have seemed like a better choice for me personally.
Im already smoking ricers on I485, I dont really care bout anything else.
Im sure there are better cams but after browsing the market the letter cams have seemed like a better choice for me personally.
Im already smoking ricers on I485, I dont really care bout anything else.
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He'd been skating on thin ice for a long time so I suppose he had it coming. Unfortunately his attitude in other forums is just as bad.nope lol...........but the fact that AdderMK2 finally got banned from a forum because of his attitude does
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yea, I know you've seen him on the corral and SVTP and yea his attitude is just as bad pretty much everywhere. I guess being stuck in the desert like he is doesn't help matters but so are a few other people and they don't act like he does.
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i didnt know he finally got banned but now its party time :lmao
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i am also thinking about getting an e303 cam, since there are tons of ppl on this thread saying this cam basically sucks, does it really? plus does it hurt the engine or power or anything? when i get it, i am also going to get the intake, heads and cam all at once so will this cam be a good choice?
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No not a good choice...Hey man, just read what fogg and 69fastback said. for the same money you can get some thing better. those cams came out in the late 80s early 90s, technology has come along way 20 years. If you get one for free then its up to you, but dont waste your money on one. learn from other peoples mistakes, most people that are putting that cam down, owned it at one time or another and theres a reason why they got rid of it....Because there is better out there
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Just get a dam TFS Stage 1 cam, Sounds good and is much better then the E303... Who cares about the easy kit... Really? I personally think it is a waste of money to put a cam in your car to have it sound good, just to take it out later and swap it with a good cam and start your build... Just wait till your build. Then Pick out your heads, intake mani and full supporting mods, THEN get your cam to match your parts... MY TFS Stage 2 cam was a good choice for me with the TFS51400004 heads and race intake mani, and Sounds good to boot too...
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Here's my answer in case you didn't read it earlier:
It's up to you to decide if you're satisfied with a cam that's merely OK, or if you'd rather have a better one and maybe pay a little more.
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Read and pay attention you might learn a thing or two
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Yea I guess that does make since, I have decided just go with something else for the car.
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...and that is?
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Excuse me? SVTP? Ive been a member of that forum for 4 years now and i have NEVER posted on it. If you are goin to try to bash me... be correct.
I live in California. I don't know any state smog guys to pay off to smog my car. So if I am going to get a cam. I was looking towards the E303 cam just for the reason that it is C.A.R.B. legal. (If you don't know what C.A.R.B. is you are a lucky person.) But I have been told from a friend of mine if i keep (I forget whats its called... maybe duration??) At or below 220/220 I can still smog.
As I am partially retarded when it comes to picking **** for my car, I would like your guys advice on a cam that will be legal for me to put in and I can smog. Because from what I hear it is some what of a PITA to put a cam in and I would rather not have to change cams bi-yearly.
I personally don't see why you guys are flaming the chit out of each other. OP wanted an E cam and wants to know what else to replace and you guys flame each other like its the 4th.
Really I could give less of a **** if the cam I buy isnt the best most expensive cam hand made by god from the tears of angels and bones of satan. Basically one simple question: "Will it smog?". I mean regardless I have to shell out extra bucks to get C.A.R.B. legal parts.
As I am partially retarded when it comes to picking **** for my car, I would like your guys advice on a cam that will be legal for me to put in and I can smog. Because from what I hear it is some what of a PITA to put a cam in and I would rather not have to change cams bi-yearly.
I personally don't see why you guys are flaming the chit out of each other. OP wanted an E cam and wants to know what else to replace and you guys flame each other like its the 4th.
Really I could give less of a **** if the cam I buy isnt the best most expensive cam hand made by god from the tears of angels and bones of satan. Basically one simple question: "Will it smog?". I mean regardless I have to shell out extra bucks to get C.A.R.B. legal parts.
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Bottom line for all you guys wanting the E-cam .....Install it listen to it have fun with it yada yada.
Crap 3 pages of info and you still dont get it, the cam was designed freaking 20 years ago to use with iron gt40 heads how good do you actually think it is. Crap you might want to take your CD player out and install an 8-track player.
As for passing smog... hell I have no emmisions crap with HCI and pass smog. You dont need an e cam to passs smog.
Crap 3 pages of info and you still dont get it, the cam was designed freaking 20 years ago to use with iron gt40 heads how good do you actually think it is. Crap you might want to take your CD player out and install an 8-track player.
As for passing smog... hell I have no emmisions crap with HCI and pass smog. You dont need an e cam to passs smog.
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We are correct; your attitude blows so why don't you go intoxicate something else besides conversations where your insults aren't appreciated or invited.
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the only person around here with the attitude, is you. I must have made you feel really stupid at one point. Because you are the only person i've ever seen that was completely butthurt by anything I do.
It's the internet bro. Get over it, or get off it!
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