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Land rover= lives in the mechanics shop.

Jeeps= rattle traps, electrical problems.


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Lol

Both are old problems. New Land Rovers are extremely solid cars, along with being one of the safest cars on the road (one of the highest frontal and side impact ratings on the market right now).

The electrical problems in the Jeeps were just that. The only thing to effect them. Those 4.0L I6s were bulletproof beasts, ask any CJ or Cherokee owner. They aren't having electrical problems now and the new 3.6 Pentastar V6 is starting to show its potential as filling the big shoes that was worn by the 4.0 I6. And rattle trap? Only because it's a lightweight SUV with hardly an interior in it despite receiving a significant update to it in 2011.

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Hardly any interior=less opportunity for rattles, i would expect.


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So just because the interior rattles, it means it's crappy?

By the way, Rev was referring to the fact that the guys who make their V8s sound lumpy are basically ricing out their cars with race car inspired technology that only should be in a race car. Much like the only FWD cars that need wings are the ones that are purposely built to be on the track.

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By the way, Rev was referring to the fact that the guys who make their V8s sound lumpy are basically ricing out their cars with race car inspired technology that only should be in a race car. Much like the only FWD cars that need wings are the ones that are purposely built to be on the track.

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And i was saying that rice doesn't go by a textbook definition anymore. English has changed, yadda yadda.


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I never called the interior crappy. I said jeeps are crappy because they're rattle trapped electrical problems.


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And i was saying that rice doesn't go by a textbook definition anymore. English has changed, yadda yadda.


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I never called the interior crappy. I said jeeps are crappy because they're rattle trapped electrical problems.


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What "textbook" are you talking about? The definition of rice is making your car sound/look fast or making it sound/look like a race car when it isn't. Lopey cams are only beneficial if you're actually racing the car. Rarely do I ever see a lopey cammed V8 race unless you consider hard pulls on the highway as racing.

Also, you called them crappy because of their non-existent electrical problems that haven't been present since the last generation Wrangler and the original Cherokee. So that leaves you calling them crappy because their interiors rattle. Wait, so if you think that, you MUST think the New Edge is crappy because it's KNOWN for having an interior that is as loose as a 50 year old prostitute's vagina (I can attest to this since my driver's side door rattles like crazy because the top clips need to be replaced and the vinyl is starting to come off of the center counsil).

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Are you kidding me? You have to be kidding.

Textbook being a figure of speech. There is no literal textbook of rice, unless you count the f&f scripts :lol

The figure of speech means like " by the book". For example, a textbook def'n of rice is "race inspired cosmetic enhancements". That is what i am talking about.


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maybe



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or Ferrari stang

 
Textbook being a figure of speech. There is no literal textbook of rice, unless you count the f&f scripts :lol

The figure of speech means like " by the book". For example, a textbook def'n of rice is "race inspired cosmetic enhancements". That is what i am talking about.
When I said that, I wasn't trying to dictate what "rice" is to anyone, I was explaining specifically what definition I was using as it's a vague term that means different things to different people.


Rice may have originally been an acronym, but i have never seen a racecar with a fart cannon. Or a massive chunky plastic wing.
No, because those are exaggerations of the differences between a race car and a street car. Race cars have open exhaust, ricers use a big muffler to try and emulate the sound of open exhaust. As time progressed, other ricers (for the sake of discussion, I'll refer to these as "2nd-gen ricers") emulated the large muffler and then took it further; if a big muffler is racy, a bigger muffler is racier! Same with the wing; race cars have functional aerodynamics, ricers emulate the look of the functional part, 2nd-gen ricer exaggerates the look (usually to the point where it's functionally counter-productive).

Also, FWIW, I don't believe the acronym was the original use of the term "rice". My understanding is that it started as a shortened version of "rice burner" as a slur for any Japanese import. My guess is that it was shifted to mean poorly modified Japanese car around the time that the Japanese manufactuers started improving their quality and dominate the economy car market and the import tuning scene started up (early '80s).

If you want to say that, then you're calling my car rice. You see, the trans am mustangs had blacked out hoods because it prevented glare from the sun on the hood. Why did i do it? Not to look like a racecar. Because it looks cool, and retro. Why does my car sound loud? Not because of some jackass racecar, but because I LIKE the sound
To say something is "cool" is next to meaningless; it just means you like it. Why do you like it? In this specific case it's due to the association with performance. A Trans Am car is one of the highest performance instances of a classic pony car. By blacking out your hood and making your car loud, you're establishing an aesthetic link between your car and it's race history.

To me, rice is ridiculous camber (never seen that on a racecar), stretched tires (never will see that on a racecar, etc.
Again, these things are exaggerations of what's seen on a race car. Standard street car has a degree or less of camber and fairly fat fitment (120% of wheel width). Race cars run 3+ degrees of camber and tighter fitment (~100% of wheel width). Exaggerating those differences leads you to the silly amounts of stretch and camber you're talking about.

Now, i like thumpy cams because they sound like my dad's 68. Not like some dumb racecar. I love the sound of a thumping v8 rolling down the street. How is that rice?
Because you're emulating the *aesthetic* of a car that impressed you due to it's *performance*. In the 2G ricer sense, there are companies that offer tunes to give lumpy cam sound. :wtf That's as silly and ridiculous as any fart cannon, park bench, or tire stretch.

There may be better words already in place for what I refer to as 1st and 2nd gen rice. Again, I'm not trying to dictate definitions, just explain things as I see them using the language I have available. I think when most people on this board hear "rice", they jump to what I see as 2nd-gen rice.
 
Yes, so maybe a tune would be rice if there was no vvl, but iff (sh) ford makes a vvl system, and someone figures out how to make the overlap/high lift engage at idle, that's not an emulation, because it actually is high lift/overlap


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I understand ahat you mean by 1st and 2nd.


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Yes, so maybe a tune would be rice if there was no vvl, but iff (sh) ford makes a vvl system, and someone figures out how to make the overlap/high lift engage at idle, that's not an emulation, because it actually is high lift/overlap
It's emulation of early performance cars where high lift and overlap caused a certain type of idle. There's no performance gained to take a car with VVL and have it always run on the big lobes, in fact you lose low-end torque to do so.

That being said, in this age where we have sound pipes that bring intake noise into the cabin (Mustang, FT86) and speakers that play the exhaust noise when in "performance mode" (M5), it wouldn't surprise me one bit that should Ford run VVL on the Mustang, it would be set up to run on the big lobes when you're completely off the gas to give it an aggressive idle, but immediately shift to the proper low-rpm lobes as soon as you touch the throttle at all.
 
Also, FWIW, I don't believe the acronym was the original use of the term "rice". My understanding is that it started as a shortened version of "rice burner" as a slur for any Japanese import.
I'm old, so this was always our definition of "rice"
 
Ford went crazy with sound deadening so they needed to pump some engine noise into the cabin.

The M5 plays engine sounds through the speakers. Many more will probably follow.
Really stupid. How bimmer spec that is. (Ford)


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Really stupid.
I agree. I'd rather see them just reduce some sound deadening than add even more weight, but in a world where every new car has to be a luxury car, I don't see that happening.

I'd say the world needs a new Colin Chapman, but I think if someone tried to start Lotus today it would fail miserably.
 
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