Switched from Bama to Lund

Tron84 · Apr 16, 2014

So I just wanted to report in on how much smoother the Lund tune is. I've been running the Bama tune for quite a while now and have grown tired of how hard it can make the car to drive sometimes.
The throttle seemed to only have an on or off, no easing into it.
If you get off the gas while staying in gear (any gear) the car rather violently jerks upon decel.

I was hesitant to spend $200 on just 1 tune, but I figured once I go FI i'll just fork over the other half of the $450 and have Jon tune it then too.

The car drive so much smoother now, idles much smoother, and feels just as quick.

If you take a look at these 2 datalogs you can see how erratic the bama one is compared to the Lund one. Under WOT the Lund curves are nice and flat. Blue is timing, yellow is A/F. Both runs were either 2-3rd gear or 3-4th. I don't remember.

Bama;

Lund;

The peak #'s all around (a/f @ .84-.86 & timing @ 28.5 max) are really close between the two but it makes a huge difference driveability wise whatever Lund does.

Another note, yes timing is up there but I am running a lower c/r.
Scary thing is that Lund knew this when writing the tune and added timing for that reason. Bama did not know this and this was a tune designed for a stock c/r motor. Seems kinda high unless you knew the customer had a lower c/r.:dunno

Anyways, not trying to bash Bama. I did not ever attempt to have them revise the tune based on datalogs. I'm sure they could have made it better. It's just that Lund seems to have got it right from the get go.

BrendanMilteer94 · Apr 16, 2014

I like that you included the logs. Looks completely different with the Lund tune. Also seems he has you log a lot more PIDs than BAMA does. Congrats on the new tune!

Marc · Apr 16, 2014

But I thought a Bama tune couldn't be beat? Not even God himself could do any better.

BrendanMilteer94 · Apr 16, 2014

:whackylol:

Kona12Boss · Apr 16, 2014

Good to know! Since soon I will be deciding on which to get myself, a lot put down bama and a lot never had a issue with lund, looks like lund is the way to go!

Tron84 · Apr 16, 2014

It's the free tunes for life, thats how they get ya! oh well, live and learn

fdjizm · Apr 16, 2014

Kind of weird to not tell bama about the compression change but tell Lund wouldn't that skew the results a bit?

Looking forward to dyno results heard Lund is one of the best, should make a ton more than bama.
Right?

kdanner · Apr 16, 2014

fdjizm said:
Kind of weird to not tell bama about the compression change but tell Lund wouldn't that skew the results a bit?

Does it really matter? As far as they knew it was 11:1 and they still put that much timing in! That's almost the same as I run on E85, although I do run that fuel a bit leaner. I won't go over 26 on pump gas and stock compression, you're playing with fire if you do.

Supra · Apr 16, 2014

FWIW stock compression here @ 28 degree's timing sippin on 94 pump

mr.burton · Apr 16, 2014

I'm starting to think that American Muscle deletes the majority of the bad reviews on their website about BAMA tunes....

GT350pwns · Apr 16, 2014

I'm starting to think the same thing.

exosyphon · Apr 16, 2014

Has anyone started with a Lund, AED, etc tune though? Seems like everyone gets the Bama tune to get the flasher and the free tunes. Then pays the $200 later on down the road

Durr4456 · Apr 16, 2014

You can always buy a used tuner.

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paulyboy928 · Apr 16, 2014

I'm seriously thinking about switching to lund also, considering i only drive on one of mine...

OneSlowV · Apr 16, 2014

Has anybody ran the newer Bama tunes? I hear they are supposed to be better.

Levi · Apr 16, 2014

Lund Racing is where its at!

fdjizm · Apr 16, 2014

I think some people will disagree, but you're well within your right to stand by it.

kdanner · Apr 17, 2014

I'd imagine you're right about them disagreeing. You'd think calibrations that aggressive would really run hard, but to date they seem to be far better at printing dyno sheets than they are at printing timeslips.

AM_Will · Apr 16, 2014

Tron84 said:
The peak #'s all around (a/f @ .84-.86 & timing @ 28.5 max) are really close between the two but it makes a huge difference driveability wise whatever Lund does.

Another note, yes timing is up there but I am running a lower c/r.
Scary thing is that Lund knew this when writing the tune and added timing for that reason. Bama did not know this and this was a tune designed for a stock c/r motor. Seems kinda high unless you knew the customer had a lower c/r.:dunno

Anyways, not trying to bash Bama. I did not ever attempt to have them revise the tune based on datalogs. I'm sure they could have made it better. It's just that Lund seems to have got it right from the get go.

It's a shame Bama lost you as a customer, but I'm glad you're currently satisfied with your Mustang. I see the WOT spark advance timing is rather high on the Bama tune. Do you know when the tune was sent to you initially? I don't believe this is our current revised Bama tune for the 11-14 GT's. As they command 26* of WOT spark advance and have smoother transitions.

If you would like to give the latest Bama 11-14 GT tunes a try, let me know. I'll have them made for you ASAP. I think you'll be a lot more happy with those compared to the previous Bama tune.

Shane

mr.burton said:
I'm starting to think that American Muscle deletes the majority of the bad reviews on their website about BAMA tunes....

We do not delete or monitor any negative reviews on our site that meets the following requirements. All reviews, both positive and negative must be coherent (understandable) and absent of any profanity. As long as a review can meet those requirements, than it will certainly be posted up!

Shane

Tron84 · Apr 16, 2014

AMShaneLesky said:
It's a shame Bama lost you as a customer, but I'm glad you're currently satisfied with your Mustang. I see the WOT spark advance timing is rather high on the Bama tune. Do you know when the tune was sent to you initially? I don't believe this is our current revised Bama tune for the 11-14 GT's. As they command 26* of WOT spark advance and have smoother transitions.

If you would like to give the latest Bama 11-14 GT tunes a try, let me know. I'll have them made for you ASAP. I think you'll be a lot more happy with those compared to the previous Bama tune.

Shane

Shane

The email with the tunes was dated 2/6/14.
When did Bama revise their tunes?

Don't get me wrong, AM will still get my business for almost everything non-tune related.

Levi · Apr 16, 2014

Only reason i buy parts from american muscle is because of fazt shipping

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Bagga 44 · Apr 16, 2014

I just purchased a Bama tune last month. The drivability is pretty decent and numbers were 397 horse and 381 torque with CAI and SW long tubes. Also have 420 and 430 codes. I called Bama and they are saying its the high flow cats causing them.

Marc · Apr 16, 2014

I still say something seems off for you to only get roughly 20 hp from a tune, CAI and lts. You should have got that from the tune by itself.

Bagga 44 · Apr 16, 2014

Car has been low since day one. With JLT CAI and Dyno tune from my local shop it put down 373. I picked up 25 peak with the long tubes and new tune. I will be contacting AED shortly.

Towelie · Apr 16, 2014

I think this thread just made my decision for who I'm paying for my next tune. I have lost all my patience with Bama.

fdjizm · Apr 17, 2014

Yup, I keep forgetting we're dealing with a totally different engine here.

Marc · Apr 17, 2014

Not only a completely different engine, but a different processor as well. The copperhead ECU is something like 16x more powerful and 200x faster than the one in the 3v.

Kona12Boss · Apr 17, 2014

I wonder how the new tuners are that Bama came out with on AM, look fancy enough lol

Marc · Apr 17, 2014

Bama didn't build them. SCT did. And it's just an improved version of the older one.

kdanner · Apr 17, 2014

This. With HP Tuners now supporting these cars, I don't know why anyone would spend a dime on a handheld. You no longer have to take somebody's word for what is in the calibration, you can know for certain what is in there.

Tron84 · Apr 17, 2014

So on a different note we got 19" of snow here last night. Boo! Apparently winter is not over

nosympathy · Apr 17, 2014

I don't see the point in swapping to HP Tuners. Not for those of us with an SCT unit.

The benefits as I understand them are mostly on the side of the tuner and those who want to tune the cars.

Also already a few tuners have said they have no interest in moving to HP Tuners since it can't do anymore than SCT can.

*shrug*

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jayman33 · Apr 17, 2014

HPT is like Napster for tunes. We're going to see some blown engines from guys who "know" what they're doing. In theory its a great tool but its not popular on Mustangs for a reason.

Shaun13GT/CS · Apr 18, 2014

Correct me if I'm wrong...

I could take my AED tune, convert the tune file to HP tuners, then I could change stuff correct?

Like I said, only thing I'd be interested in doing, is make some VCT changes.

Software is what? $7xx?

I just wouldn't want to start a tune from the getgo. Think I would have a miserable time doing it lol!

kdanner · Apr 18, 2014

There are some really good reasons to not include calibrations with a product. Here is an example. Edge Products LLC Settlement | Enforcement | US EPA Since HPT only provides tools, not modified calibrations, they aren't putting themselves in that situation. Some of these small shops that are turning off emissions related components of the calibration, if the EPA gets a hard on for them like they did for edge, that will be the end of their business.

You can connect it to your car and copy the current calibration out of the PCM whether it is stock or otherwise. This is only copying it, that doesn't change what is in the PCM whatsoever. If you have multiple files already for your handheld, you could put them into the car one at a time with your handheld, then copy them one at a time with HPT. You could also copy files out of multiple vehicles. You can view every one of these files and it isn't going to use any credits. This is a good thing. If someone says they don't use the global spark adder, and you have one of their files, you can verify this. I used that example because someone who likes to say exactly that actually was using it in their "E85 drag tune" I saw.

When you edit a file to save for a vehicle, that is when you use credits. This is on a VIN basis, or you can use enough credits to just license you for unlimited number of the same year/model car. It is 2 credits per VIN and that means you can make as many files for that VIN as you want. Or, 12 credits for unlimited for that model/year, for example 12 credits would let you do unlimited 2013 V8 mustangs whether they are auto or manual, or even GT, Boss, or GT500. The hardware/software package is $499 and includes 8 credits, so enough for 4 vehicles doing them on a VIN basis. Additional credits are $50 each, so for $700 you could do as many V8 mustangs as you want to for a particular model year.

That's what you do Shaun, you start off small with the changes. If you don't know about something, ask someone who does, HPT has a forum to discuss things like this. It's really not that hard, regardless of what some people want you to believe. Manual trans cars are especially easy in my opinion.

Calling it something like napster is just way off base. This is how things have been done with other brands/models of cars for many years, not just with this software, but many others as well. You might be used to only how SCT does it, but they are only a small player when you look at the industry as a whole. I really can't fathom how someone would berate the product with the reasoning that someone else is going to hurt their engine. First, what do you care what they do with their engine? Second if you don't want to do this yourself, then don't. Why try to drag it down for everyone else? As for it not being able to do more than SCT, also not the case. I gave them a huge list of automatic trans items to add in, including everything for the transbrake, and I'm not the only person who was solicited for info like that. SCTs support for the auto trans is severely lacking in my opinion, especially if it is a 13-14. You've probably seen on other forums how all of the clutch protection stuff was added, that SCT doesn't have, or O2 transport delay that SCT doesn't have. They're putting in what the people already doing calibrations are asking for.

I haven't seen one peep from the guys who calibrate the really fast cars, which are going to have way more work put into the calibrations than some NA bolt on street car is. Those guys don't seem to have any complaints about this at all. This is a win for everyone, the ability to make false claims about a calibration without being exposed is now greatly reduced.

Switched from Bama to Lund

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