Well I Did my own porting cost me a die grinder and bits-200
The Intake if windstar get one from slonison here on mm-100
your gonna need a gt tb
And Cam get a regrind from esg 215$
But I bought my heads,lower intake from another member on here for 130 shipped so 645$ give or take
But you'll need new head gaskets
Lower Intake gasket
Egr bracket from windstar van if you wanna keep egr
Tune to run proper
I got a ported lower and ported heads for sale

03cristian

 

V8 swap

 

:gay

 

Well I wouldn't do the windstar swap since I still want to go the M112 route. With that being said I probably wouldn't spend a lot of time porting the intake either. You think $1,000-1,200 after a dyno tune is a good price to expect?

reps btw

 

So in other words you just want ported heads, lower Intake, and Cam?
Depends on who does the job pm esg he does all that he can hook you up for sure man

03cristian

 

I've always liked the LS motors, who doesn't. It'd be sooo much more work though

 

My list

Cam with water pump 250.00 shipped from a fellow mm member
Comp cam springs 100 something lol
comp cam rods 79.00
retainers 15.00
top end gasket kit (felpro) 167.00 i think ...maybe 200
rtv tubes 11.00
Timing chain and gears 62.00
New heater core tube (broke org) 109.00
Lifters..... cnt remember lol

 

Pm sent

03cristian

 

^the dude drives a talon...

His opinion doesn't matter either way!

 

:lmao

 

Ive spent just about $3000 so far for my H/C/I build. I will probably spend another $100 and that is not including tuning.

 

Damn, $3,000? Didn't you get new roller lifters and some other things though, as well as have ESG do the P&P?

 

No new roller lifters, but I did get a new timing chain(and supporting gears) as well as new injectors. And ESG is doing the P/P work. I payed him $1500 for a custom cam, P/P upper and lower intakes, and P/P cylinder heads. Not a bad deal.

 

Would bigger injectors be a necessity for just a cam swap and some porting?

 

Possibly

03cristian

 

03 christian is right; it could be necessarily. But for a simple cam swap I would say no.

Otherwise go search ebay for some used 24lb injectors for cheap :icon_idea:

 

+1, got some 01 cobra injectors for pretty cheap on eBay

 

That's what I did search and search

03cristian

 

so having larger injectors add some extra power with an h/c/i?

 

No they do not, but you could push the limit of our stock fuel injectors if you make too much power. They generally seem good up to 230rwhp (the number may vary).

 

IMO if youre going to throw down the money for HCI, get a turbo or supercharger cam and go FI down the road, go all out with it

 

Hmm

It gets much more expensive then people think
Ported heads alone may run you around 1000$.
tuner 400. dyno tune 400.
Thats 2k right there.

Then intake/cam
gasket set
head bolts
pushrods
springs/retainers
and all the other little **** you will need like new coolant, oil, filters, if spark plugs are old, now is a good time to change.

But also keep in mind if you dont have a high flow cat or off road set up your cam will sound quiet as **** and you wont get near the power. Even with a cat back system....

So you want to do some work there too.

3k +




Then you start looking at things like ... cool I have lots of power now ...
So I need to keep it planted. I need a tlok or 8.8. Then you will want gears to go with it.

blah blah blah

Before long you spend 5,000 and barely keep up w/ a 2v GT.


Then mofo's be like I told your ass to turbo it ...

 

AND THEN....
you go to the 1/4 mile with a group that consist of a stalled z28 and an 03 cobra and a few other cars you run xx.xx which is faster than everybody in the group and you have a grin everywhere

 

Well honestly the best thing for your money would probably go to a dyno and do a few pulls, dyno shops normally charge from $50-75 a pull.

you could make 350rwhp easily with a turbo on a stock engine.. But if you are set on a M112, you could do a H/C/I build and throw the blower on with a 11-13psi boost and you would be happy.

Also with the fuel injectors you could always get used 03-04 cobra injectors and install them before your m112, it won't hurt and it would make sense while you have the engine apart.

 

I don't think I would need that much boost for 350 if I did an H/C/I build as well, but I don't know. I was thinking 8-10 psi

An M112 would be pretty cheap as opposed to custom fab'ing my own turbo setup, so i'm pretty dead set on that. Especially if I can get the parts for a decent price.

 

More than likely ^

 

My opinion from my build with my v6, I would have done the motor first. Do the heads and cam. Get it ready for boost, then boost the **** out of it. I did the turbo first, then heads and cam. It was a lot of fun.

 

It depends on a lot of things. Such as boost pressure, ambient temps, and your iat's pre-charger. But yes, they can heatsoak often.

 

+1

For what 04Sixxer wants to accomplish running meth will probably be needed, if boost is kept low you can get away without running meth. LilRoush (the guy who designed the M112 sixxer kit along side mysteed) ran his m112 without meth without any issues.

 

My money is on esg

03cristian

 

What's a good not so expensive meth/water kit

03cristian

 

mild boost
http://www.americanmuscle.com/snow-performance-stage1.html
higher boost
Snow Performance Stage 2 MAF Boost Cooler (87-10 All) 20011 - Free Shipping!

 

Meth...
m112

pfft

m90 > m112

 

Agreed.

 

And there are split ports doing the same thing. I just don't want to swap down to a single port and running meth won't bother me much

 

I have been curious what kind of times esg is squeaking out of his car. And what kind of numbers are being laid down.

 

He won't tell anyone on here what he runs