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cmdr_anomic - my experiences with my Mustang are my experiences with my Mustang, I'm not trying to embellish, and I know I haven't driven the best snow handling cars in recent years - so I may just have graduated from crap to vomit - it's still a substantial improvement in my book.

To be honest, when I put snow tires on my Z4 - I put Pirelli PZeroNero M&Ss on it. It helped traction on snow to a degree - but the problem with that car was the huge 18" wheels - they were wide in front and even wider in back and wide, low profile, large diameter tires will plow snow - not cut it. The Scion had 17" wheels and the lowest profile tires I've ever seen on a stock, no options car. They were slippery as heck in rain and I would routinely lose traction from a start going up a hill on hot, wet pavement. Going down any sort of gradient, hill, driveway at any sort of speed on snow? Hope to heck you don't have to brake before it flattens out or you'll be skating.

If you wanted the best snow handling Mustang you'd go with the narrowest wheels and a smaller diameter one at that. The only problem is brake size - iirc the 17" wheels are the smallest that will accomodate the GT's brake rotors.

So to answer your question - the Mustang GT with 17" wheels and the stock all season tires still DOES NOT handle like a rear wheel drive p/u. A good friend has a 7 year old Toyota Tundra rear wheel drive with no options whatsoever - basic bare bones thing with a V6 engine and 300 pounds of sand bags in the bed. It handles really well in snow. The Mustang comes close if I keep it under control and don't accelerate much. All said and done, my friend is incredibly impressed with the Mustang in snow - mainly because neither of us expected it to be any good at all. We both know it's not the equal as a pickup truck that doesn't have any fancy traction control.

My advice, for whatever it's worth, is to keep the zx2.

On the other hand, maybe Zipp doesn't appreciate this as he's in the frozen wastelands of the north - you have your comfort levels with needing to get around when heck freezes over. If you're in Virginia and get less than 10 snow falls a year - how much accumulation do you get in each storm? How long does it take for it to clear? We only got more than 6" falls, maybe 3 times this year. A day later and the roads are fine. We got far more than 10 snowfalls, though they were mostly less than 6". And most importantly - are you ever planning on putting summer/high performance tires on? I am, but they'll go on a set of 18" wheels.

This winter was the worst I can remember for snow in the Chicagoland region - it would snow, melt away two days later and then snow as much again. Repeatedly. In my opinion it's still not worth it to keep a beater around. Zipp and others are gonna use harsh language with me on that, but he doesn't have to find a place to park my beater or pay the $500 liability insurance and $78/year license plate fee. :tomato It's a point I've argued with my friend for years - why pay at least $1,000 a year for something that's only going to be decidedly necessary at least 10 times a year? My friend also bought a $1,000 generator because he had his power go out once in four years. That's personal risk tolerances I suppose, and something you'll have to decide for yourself.
 
To each their own, to be sure, Efyl. :)

I also have to find a place to park my beater, but as you pointed out, different strokes for different folks, and different climates certainly dictate different needs. As I look out my window, we still have about a foot or so of base on the ground, and this is after it rained hard all last night. lol

As stated before, it's presumptuous of me to expect others to spend their money, and I certainly know what it's like to need to watch your money. But, anomic asked for opinions on this matter, and I think you and I have done a fine job on supplying those. lol

For me, my opinion is if I can afford to do so, I will keep my Mustang out of the salt and snow, and in turn put fewer miles on her and reduce the chance of someone sliding in to her in bad weather. Again, I understand my weather is much much different then your guys' weather, and perhaps if I lived in your climate I would have a different viewpoint on it. :)
 
Wow I'm surprised the Scion sucked ass in the snow. I thought it would be better than that. Just goes to show you never know until ya drive it. :)

I hear you on the Mustang & one car deal. Believe me, it wasn't that long ago where I could only afford one car. Hell, it wasn't that long ago even the wife was carless because we were so broke. lol


Oh, and might I add how cool it is to debate **** with someone and not have it degenerate in to a useless name calling spree. lol :)

(also nice to see I'm not the only one who enjoys typing up wordy entries) :lol


Zipp, I read a bleeepity-ton of threads here from middle of November to present and know who to tread carefully around and who to just plain be afraid of. :D I'm not the type to get pissed off when I can certainly see and understand your side of the situation (some parts of North America have snow plows... other parts close the roads in the winter).

The Scion was an odd experience - the tires were probably the problem, super duper low profile. But there was also absolutely no traction control on the car either. ABS brakes, but that was it.

I type too much in my posts - I think it's a defense mechanism - most people are smart enough to just not read a really long post, therefore they'll never get to the part in the middle where I call them names and make faces at them :p. So they just leave me alone. Of course I also get ignored a lot too.... :sorry
 
Zipp, I read a bleeepity-ton of threads here from middle of November to present and know who to tread carefully around and who to just plain be afraid of. :D I'm not the type to get pissed off when I can certainly see and understand your side of the situation (some parts of North America have snow plows... other parts close the roads in the winter).

The Scion was an odd experience - the tires were probably the problem, super duper low profile. But there was also absolutely no traction control on the car either. ABS brakes, but that was it.

I type too much in my posts - I think it's a defense mechanism - most people are smart enough to just not read a really long post, therefore they'll never get to the part in the middle where I call them names and make faces at them :p. So they just leave me alone. Of course I also get ignored a lot too.... :sorry
lmao @ middle-of-thread flaming tactics. Good call- I may have to utilize that in the future. lol


Yes I was surprised to hear the Scion sucked in the snow. I have to agree in that it was probably the tires. As you explained to the OP here, a taller, narrower tire, and an actual snow/ice tire like the Blizzak would probably have made a difference. Although they get pricey in a hurry, and if you live in a climate that will not see constant cold temps, and sometimes warms up even in December, and only get a handful of snowfalls, they are kind of a waste. And due to the softer compound which is a big part of what makes them work, they will wear quicker in a medium type of climate as opposed to what we get up here. You don't want to be running Blizzaks for too long if the temperature stays over 45 or so for a bit. They'll wear out in a hurry. :)


As to our propensity for long wordy posts, I'm glad I'm not alone. I too have had many of those "Too long- not even reading that" replies to what I felt was a helpful informative post. lol But, it doesn't seem to stop me. Sometimes when I have thoughts and/or knowledge on something, I just can't seem to stop my fingers from typing. You know it's bad when you've had multiple pm's rejected with that vbulletin message of "The text that you have entered is too long (41532 characters). Please shorten it to 5000 characters long." :lmao

Perhaps we would have made excellent secretaries. lol
 
You know it's bad when you've had multiple pm's rejected with that vbulletin message of "The text that you have entered is too long (41532 characters). Please shorten it to 5000 characters long."
:eek: That's a lot of words....

Perhaps we would have made excellent secretaries. lol
Government report writer? Textbook author? Instruction manual technical copywriter? I think that covers the top three careers that produce large, largely ignored, bodies of work. :)
 
:eek: That's a lot of words....


Government report writer? Textbook author? Instruction manual technical copywriter? I think that covers the top three careers that produce large, largely ignored, bodies of work. :)
Wow, and I'm still driving trucks for a living. Who knew I could have been utilizing a god given talent instead that people could ignore en masse! lol
 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
snows are generally less that 5" but over a foot happens.
i just have to get less than 1/4 mile to get onto limited access highways that will be plowed with less than 2" on them at any time. however my parking lot and side road although flat will not be plowed. i just need to get through up to 6" idc how slow of going.

i drive professionally and put 40+ hrs on the road every week for the last 5 years. I know how to drive in snow; and ive done so in alot of vehicles (mostly rwd light/heavy trucks)

tire/wheel plans are 18x9 / 18x10 rears but i am gonna keep the 17s for winter.
i have car tax and was thinking about it today and i think that a beater will cost me over 1500$ a year; i dont think its gonna happen.
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
sweet we got some new 8.1 (gm i think) gas motors that do 5-8 depending if u have them floored or almost floored lol they are very quick though. the mechanics told me that ups is afraid of diesel emission regulations and are going back to gas engines. i just went to a diesel international from my old 83' gmc gas motor. i like the new international much better :).
 
Nice :yes

We have new Freightliners coming in this summer. They are going to have c13 Cats & fully automatic transmissions in them, supposedly with 430 horse/1450 tq, all kinds of fancy **** on them, like low friction air compressors & water pumps, and are claiming to get 8 mpg. We'll see. As you know, going from 6 to 8 in a fleet of 1200 trucks that average 2500 miles a week at todays fuel prices = a huge savings for the company.
 
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we would be happy with a/c lol

i went from a carb 83 gmc without power steering to this international with all bells and whistles; actually it doesnt even have a/c or a radio wtf? lol huge improvement though

those gmc's were tanks though not the funnest to drive but with the big / skinny wheels they where great in the snow.
 
Sweet. Can't beat that deal, man. :)

I'm vaguely similar in what I do. I transport and deliver liquid hydrogen for a living. It takes 3-5 hours to make a delivery, and we do about 10-12 deliveries a week. So we spend a lot of time on the ground pumping liquid off, and make the majority of our money that way. As a team, we only run around 2000-2500 miles a week, which for team trucking is way low compared to the average freight hauler.
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
ya depending on the route i do 60-200 (250+ for christmass) 60 if its heavy biz. 150 and up for houses. keeps me skinny though if i drove otr i would eat all them pork rinds and weigh 300 lbs lol

i know that will piss off some otr guys
 
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