hi guys well i have decided to do a new build im 99.9% sure im going to ditch the 302 im thinking a budget 351w build my questions is whats a good 351w build that will make 350-400 to the wheels on a tight budget i found a complete 94' roller out of a f-250 im getting this friday for $400 good deal or no? also IM BUDGETING AROUND $3,000-3,500 for this swap so what would be a good H/C/I set up on that budget or should i just S/C my 302 and call it a day, thanks in advance for your input
new 351w build or 302 S/C?
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Corral.net is the place to go for used parts.
And also, your list of parts doesn't include machine work for your block/stroker kit. The block needs to be boiled, bored, honed, align honed and notched. The stroker kit needs to be balanced as well as installed. Balancing a crankshaft takes a little while. The align hone takes the longest, though.
Lightly ported 351W heads even with a stellar cam and intake will not get you the goals you want. Just a heads up. Little trick Flow 170s would be a major step up from "mild port" stock heads.
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And also, your list of parts doesn't include machine work for your block/stroker kit. The block needs to be boiled, bored, honed, align honed and notched. The stroker kit needs to be balanced as well as installed. Balancing a crankshaft takes a little while. The align hone takes the longest, though.
Lightly ported 351W heads even with a stellar cam and intake will not get you the goals you want. Just a heads up. Little trick Flow 170s would be a major step up from "mild port" stock heads.
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Glad ur going with a Windsor! I have a 1969 steel Windsor block in my car with steel dart heads etc. car screams and I'm pushing 480hp, built right these motors are amazing, Ive been shifting mine at 7k Rpm and beating it and it's still very strong after a few years
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uhm, that list adds up to 3620, and as stated, you will be very disappointed with stock heads and a big inch windsor. Just pick up a used vortech s trim or novi 2k kit that has the injectors and maf and be done with it. Big inch windsors cost big inch money. There is no cheap route, just cheaper, and its only cheaper if you buy used.
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If you're going to do the 351, don't stroke it, and use that money to get good heads. It'll be much better off.
i think thats what im going to do just a good 351w build with good heads and intake and skip the stroker and then later s/c the 351w so my new questions is if you had lets say a $5,000 budget (january im getting alot of taxes back and my wife said we could spend an extra $1,000-1,500 in my car fund on top of the money i have) ok so $5K to spend on a 351W swap what would you buy to make the most reliable and make the most numbers and dont include the block cause im getting that friday
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If your going to do the 351, id go bigger then the trick flow 170s. Like already stated they would be better then what you have right now, but if your going to spend the money go a little bigger on the heads. Maybe a 185, or a tad bigger. Just my 2 cents
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WTF...why is there a law against fun?
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Dude's gonna have a monster motor and no suspension to plant it and/or possible trans issues. Take your money and put it into a total PACKAGE.
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Not true. You just have to say it's from a '95 Cobra R.
This is straight from CARB's site:
Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts RegulationsCARB said:
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I understand that the cobra R came with a 351 but my understanding is that you cant put any bigger of an engine in a car that came in that year... so if a 1991 mustang was not offered with a 351 then its not an option. Cuz if thats the case couldnt i say a 1970 mustang came with a 351 ? Now if i had a 1995 mustang then yes i would agree... a 351 is legal. Now on the other hand, i could go to a ref and have my car recertified as a 95 mustang and thats how they would smog my car from that point ( as if it were a 1995 cobra) im not sure if any added emission equipment was added for the 95 cobra but if there were im sure they would want me to install it.. but if no extra smog equipment was added then i guess id be fine.
Ive seen like 2002 cobra motors swaped into a fox and then they went and had it recertified as a 2002 cobra but every piece of emission equipment had to ge swaped over and now the car has to follow and run as clean as a 2002 cobra.
By all means im not arguing with you, cuz you might be right on the money, im just sharing what i thought was true, or maybe im way off.
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My Brother knew a guy way back in the day ( im trying to remember this story right, i may have a few details wrong) any ways, this guy had like a K5 blazer or some thing and it came factory with a carb. This guy wanted to put a fuel injection system on the car and ditch the carb. The efi system was going to be removed from an 80s some thing camaro. By all standards the car would have been better on emissions, but he was told that if he did this he would then have to install every emission part from that 80s camaro and he would now be held to that standard of the camaros emissions law. This guy didnt want every piece on his blazer and didnt end up doing the swap because of that. My point is california has some crazy laws and doesnt think out side of the box.
There was another case where my boss was thinking about doing a propane conversion to one of his trucks but even though he would have burned supper clean they would have failed him on the visual. Thats crazy in my book.
Dont get me wrong i know there are loop holes around these issue and the people in my two storys i guess didnt dive that deep into them, but california shouldnt make things so hard and make people jump through hoops for every little thing. But hell what should i expect from a state that votes for obama.....lol
Im not talking crap on california... i love this state. But if i were incharge id do a few things different...
There was another case where my boss was thinking about doing a propane conversion to one of his trucks but even though he would have burned supper clean they would have failed him on the visual. Thats crazy in my book.
Dont get me wrong i know there are loop holes around these issue and the people in my two storys i guess didnt dive that deep into them, but california shouldnt make things so hard and make people jump through hoops for every little thing. But hell what should i expect from a state that votes for obama.....lol
Im not talking crap on california... i love this state. But if i were incharge id do a few things different...
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That's it exactly. You're basically putting in the emissions system to treat your car as if it were a 95 Cobra R. You get to use that engine, but you're expected to have all the same emissions equipment and pass at the same standards as the car it came in.
FWIW, I don't believe there was much/anything different between your (or my) car and a '95 in terms of emissions equipment; the big change was '96 when OBDII was madated. It's not like trying to swap in a 3v or Coyote where you're basically going to have to rewire the entire dash and engine bay to get it legal.
You and I both. I've said before in other threads, but I'd gladly tighten up the emissions requirement to scrap the visual inspection and mother-may-I aftermarket parts approval. It makes no sense to me that you could do something that would decrease emissions and make the motor more fuel efficient and that would cause it to *fail* smog.
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Okay... were on the same page. I should have gone more into depth with my answer cuz i agree there are ways around putting a bigger engine in our cars.
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