[Garagebuilt01]

if i do anything im def swapping to something other then a 2v..

 

[T-Lee. 30]

if i do anything im def swapping to something other then a 2v..

Getterdone then. Rock on. There are some pretty badass 2v's out there though and built blocks aren't "peices of crap" in my eyes some others may agree. But rock on with the coyote swap nobody should break you stride:llama

 

[Shaun13GT/CS]

then you have to add in your fuel system, and a tune. If you dont know how to put together a modular you have another 750 easy for a place to assemble the engine.

Its 8600 or so, but step back and look what this engine does. A stock 2v with boost, will barely out power this engine STOCK. With bolt ons and a tune, stock tires, these cars have/can/will go bottom 12's at 116mph.

Now you put that into a car that weights about 300lbs less, put a decent suspension/tire package on it and you have a n/a 400hp car that will go out and run and run hard.

Throw a 125 shot on this motor and you have a car that can go 10's.

Agreed! I hate to say it, but the 2V's suck. The heads flow like ****, even with boost they dont make as much power as they should.

The 4V Coyote in a new edge would honestly be ****ing badass. I wish Ford threw a forged assembly in there.

 

[Garagebuilt01]

money to power ratio on a 2v vs a 4v is a big difference.. it would cost a lot more to mod a 2v to make the same hp a 4v would make.. i mean seriously i/h/e over 500hp.. show me a boosted stock block with over 500hp that is reliably daily driven and still has decent fuel economy.. all im saying is yea u might pay a little more for a 5.0 swap but think about how much gas money ur going to save when u get about 20mpg rather then 10.. especially when gas is 4.00+ and how much more reliable a barely modded n/a motor will be like rather then a fully built boosted motor..

 

[T-Lee. 30]

money to power ratio on a 2v vs a 4v is a big difference.. it would cost a lot more to mod a 2v to make the same hp a 4v would make.. i mean seriously i/h/e over 500hp.. show me a boosted stock block with over 500hp that is reliably daily driven and still has decent fuel economy.. all im saying is yea u might pay a little more for a 5.0 swap but think about how much gas money ur going to save when u get about 20mpg rather then 10.. especially when gas is 4.00+ and how much more reliable a barely modded n/a motor will be like rather then a fully built boosted motor..

lol no one is fighting against your point bossman if thats what you want to do then goodluck with the build hell if was as simple as taking out a 2v to swap it for a cobra,mach 4v then im sure ALOT of ppl would be all over it hell I may be all over it if it was direct swap. Just seems like at the current time there will be alot of cost that will add up super fast. And I hear ya on the MPG part too im sure that 5.0 will get good gas mileage as long as you keep it kinda stock if thats your plan. I just think the swap is a bit more invloved$$$ vs taking like a 99-02 f body and dropping an ls2,ls3, or ls7 into it ya feel me. But good luck with the swap and build bro im sure it will be sick esp with the light weight of the new edge.

 

[mustang_gtr_99]

Kenne Bell has the new 5.0 into the mid 700's on the factory internals.

 

[Eagle2000GT]

money to power ratio on a 2v vs a 4v is a big difference.. it would cost a lot more to mod a 2v to make the same hp a 4v would make.. i mean seriously i/h/e over 500hp.. show me a boosted stock block with over 500hp that is reliably daily driven and still has decent fuel economy.. all im saying is yea u might pay a little more for a 5.0 swap but think about how much gas money ur going to save when u get about 20mpg rather then 10.. especially when gas is 4.00+ and how much more reliable a barely modded n/a motor will be like rather then a fully built boosted motor..

You first sentence is true if you are starting with the 4v but buying a 4v to replace your 2v changes the cost structure. The Coyote is $8,600 for parts. Plus you need a fuel system. IIRC, Cobra fuel tanks are around $800. How did you get from 412 hp to 500 hp without more parts? $4,500 for a complete intercooled supercharger kit for 430 hp (370 rwhp) and it averages 21 mpg. With cams and an excellent tune it will go 500 hp (425 rwhp) and still get 20 mpg.

If gas mileage is a consideration I'm surprised no one is talking about an eco-boost 6er swap. 300 hp and 30 mpg. How hard is it to turn up the boost on that motor?

 

[Eagle2000GT]

Kenne Bell has the new 5.0 into the mid 700's on the factory internals.

I really hope they produce several hundred thousand 2011 GTs then five years or so I'll be able to afford a used one.

 

[86er]

i wouldnt buy a motor from ford. i was thinking about buying a wrecked 5.0.. one of my good buddies own a few junk yards and buys stuff at different auctions all the time. i know the motor bolts right up, the tranny is the issue right now, swap headers will be produced soon im sure.. etc.. but a 500hp n/a VERY STREETABLE 5.0 would be wayyyy better then a 500hp built block 2v piece of junk.. gas mileage would be a whole heck of a lot better too.. plus who has a 5.0 coyote motor in a 99-04 mustang.not really anyone.. who has a built supercharged motor.. everyone and their mom..

care to explain this one cup cake? its a modular ford engine, which means any 4.6, 5.4, 5.0, 6.2 and 6.8 can have any trans bolt to any of the listed engines.

 

[puss84]

.. who has a built supercharged motor.. everyone and their mom..

What? I missed the day they were passing out s/c 2v to everyone? Why in the hell did no one wake me up for that....



But I agree, that would be a sick little set-up due to the fact that it hasnt been done that much, and its one hell of a stock engine to start off with. Good Luck.

 

[2VSouth]

When do you plan to do this? B/c with the price of the motors, even one from a wrecked car, they're still gonna be a pretty penny.

 

[T-Lee. 30]

What? I missed the day they were passing out s/c 2v to everyone? Why in the hell did no one wake me up for that....

But I agree, that would be a sick little set-up due to the fact that it hasnt been done that much, and its one hell of a stock engine to start off with. Good Luck.

LMAO you missed it bruh. thats where I got my blown GT from. It was that one day at that one place they were giving those blown stangs away like candy "everybody and their momma got one". They all have tags that says
"2VSUCK"

 

[saxmanJJ]

Kenne Bell has the new 5.0 into the mid 700's on the factory internals.

... another magazine motor that will blow up soon.

 

[teej281]

Pretty sure that most of the internals of the new 5.0 are forged guys...read a spec sheet once and a while. Its not the fact that they arent forged, as thats not true from the spec sheets ive seen. Its the fact that they are running that much boost with high compression and trying to be too aggressive with the tune.

I'd love to do this swap...but monies arent there for it. Maybe someday.

 

[teej281]

Pretty sure that most of the internals of the new 5.0 are forged guys...read a spec sheet once and a while. Its not the fact that they arent forged, as thats not true from the spec sheets ive seen. Its the fact that they are running that much boost with high compression and trying to be too aggressive with the tune.

I'd love to do this swap...but monies arent there for it. Maybe someday.

 

[Eagle2000GT]

I've heard it both ways. Some say they are forged, some say they aren't. I have no idea whose right. I was talking to the parts guy at a dealership the other day. He said you could get 600 hp by putting a blower on it. I ask if that was with stock rods and pistons and he said yes. But with an 11:1 compression ratio it makes you wonder how long it will last.

Has anyone been over to the 2011 forum and asked them what they are doing?

 

[T-Lee. 30]

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The Coyote team says the forged. powdered-metal connecting rod is the least robust link in the 5.0 chain. Engineers noted it is absolutely strong enough for its naturally aspirated application in the Mustang, but just absolutely strong enough. It's worth noting that while the Coyote rod shares its big- and small-end diameters plus its center-to-center length with the 4.6 rod, the Coyote rod has been redesigned to more evenly distribute bearing loads and is definitely an improved piece.

Most ominously, supercharging will require a stronger forged rod, so we expect to see those, and, no doubt, a short-block in the FRPP catalog before long. This adds a whole new layer of commitment to bolting a blower on a Coyote. We'll have to let the brave among us prove the standard Coyote rods' boost tolerance. For those planning on a rod-exchanging teardown right away, Ford says the Cobra's Manley forged rod will just fit, but you must be careful. No word on how to package a forged piston and rod combination.



Coyotes use the same type... read full captionCoyotes use the same type of multi-plate silent-link chains as other modulars. However, with their high rpm, and unique, high torsional loads in the camshafts, work was required to tune the resonant frequencies out of the chain and guide system.Because a fully populated Coyote crankcase is packaged tightly as coach airline seating-the already abbreviated piston skirts come close to the crankshaft counterweights-there is no room left for stroke increases.

You may also think "weak" when viewing the Coyote's racy-looking but hypereutectic pistons. But there's a twist: oil-cooling jets. A fine mist of oil is squirted continuously from jets in the block's main webs. This oil sprays directly on the underside of the piston, at the vulnerable piston boss and bottom of the crown. The engineers sold the expense of oil jets to management by telling them it speeds engine warm-up (which is true), but the real reason was for piston cooling, hence longevity. This means the lighter, quieter, tighter-fitting, less-expensive hypereutectic piston can be run in this demanding high-rpm, high-load

 

[T-Lee. 30]

based off this article the roda and pistons are not but the crank is. Same situation like in the 5sp mach 1. 2011 Mustang GT Coyote Engine - 5.0 Mustang & Fast Fords

 

[T-Lee. 30]

That being said though the hp limit would be higher bc of the better flowing heads/cams. As with the 2v and auto mach1 has the same internals but diff heads that flow better so it can withstand a bit more blown/power than the 2v. Change the heads/cams on a blown 2v then your 450limit would have alot less strain on the internals vs the stock pi heads/cams. Im still waiting to see a blown 2v with trickflow heads on it. Centri of course since the build crazy up top and the trick flow heads have crazy flow and love high rpms.

 

[mustang_gtr_99]

... another magazine motor that will blow up soon.

It has nothing to do with a magazine even though they did have it in the last issue. The connecting rods on the 5.0 are not forged but are a lot stronger than the 4.6's which allows for the higher hp.