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#41 ·
goren813 said:
Seriously you must be slow to think that a 15mile test is accurate for mpg at all. This has just gotten to me since its still going on. Who cares? Data is not supportive. Perform realistic tests or GTFO. No one drives 22 mph for only 15 miles and takes that as their REAL mpg. Who cares>?

And maybe not as much in the sixxer section, but really, not many people buy a mustang for its gas mileage. I mean, really. I'm a realist, this is reality, and these aren't Prius's.
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we tried saying something like that in a nice way, he didn't get it :screwy:
 
#43 ·
izzy1111 said:
Thats why I want to prove that having a thermostat IN HOT CLIMATES is unecessary....and yes may even free up some ponies. This is no misinformation, this is just going against what you've learned and know, and you wont stand for it.

Since Im the only crazy guy enough to make a 38 whatever mpg mustang, I feel that I must stand by my actions and prove that its because of these moddifications that I can obtain such an mpg, which includes the dumb thermostat delete.
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Ok, how the hell would no thermostat benefit you? Even assuming that you have an ambient of 100deg F, and considering an operating temp of 180deg F, that's an 80deg delta. With a thermostat, it's going to recirculate the engine out coolant to the inlet, and heat rejected will be negligible until it hits 180deg.

With your scenario, you're pushing coolant through a radiator that's designed to dump something like 5,000 BTU/min at peak power before it gets back to the inlet. It is going to take a considerable time to get it up to temperature as long as it's dumping that much heat to the environment. So tell me, what are you gaining from it?

And there's a problem with your "I'm the only Mustang making this kind of fuel milage" argument. The principle of science is that experiments are repeatable. If you're right, anyone should be able to get your fuel economy. There's a reason why these quacks that claim 100mpg because of magnets in their fuel lines are the only ones claiming it- because it's crap.

So please enlighten us as to what other modifications you have to dramatically improve fuel economy, because I'm sure this board as well as SAE would be very interested.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
goren813 said:
And maybe not as much in the sixxer section, but really, not many people buy a mustang for its gas mileage. I mean, really. I'm a realist, this is reality, and these aren't Prius's.
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Yes I know mustangs are not prius's, don't you think if I wanted enormous amounts of mpg I would have started with an well known efficient car in the first place?

Also did I not write under my name "Efficiency is Performance". The whole MPG gain is just an unintentional side effect, that I noticed, and kept stabbin at it until it benefited me more in the wallet in the long run. But I am into PERFORMANCE, you still don't know what my car can do on the track with the focused work that I've done to it.

MPG is just on the rage right now because of the fuel cost, so excuuuuse me for showing off my work. :naughty: Hell I bet if I did this 10 years ago, no one could give a monkey's crap if I was doing 50mpg. Everyone would be like "good for you, but why do you need a car that does so much mpg?". But I guess with todays fuel struggles, everyone is "no your wrong, you have to be wrong, you cant get any better than me, you pay what I pay and thats that!".


I guess you can say all of you are just taking the bait, lol nom nom nom nom nom nom
 
#45 ·
pelle15 said:
we tried saying something like that in a nice way, he didn't get it :screwy:
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goren813 said:
I know, I got tired of it being put so cute.
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izzy1111 said:
Yes I know mustangs are not prius's, don't you think if I wanted enormous amounts of mpg I would have started with an well known efficient car in the first place?

Also did I not write under my name "Efficiency is Performance". The whole MPG gain is just an unintentional side effect, that I noticed, and kept stabbin at it until it benefited me more in the wallet in the long run. But I am into PERFORMANCE, you still don't know what my car can do on the track with the focused work that I've done to it.

MPG is just on the rage right now because of the fuel cost, so excuuuuse me for showing off my work. :naughty: Hell I bet if I did this 10 years ago, no one could give a monkey's crap if I was doing 50mpg. Everyone would be like "good for you, but why do you need a car that does so much mpg?". But I guess with todays fuel struggles, everyone is "no your wrong, you have to be wrong, you cant get any better than me, you pay what I pay and thats that!".


I guess you can say all of you are just taking the bait, lol nom nom nom nom nom nom
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:facepalm: your just unable to accept your wrong huh? its really that hard for you to do?
 
#46 ·
izzy1111 said:
Yes I know mustangs are not prius's, don't you think if I wanted enormous amounts of mpg I would have started with an well known efficient car in the first place?

Also did I not write under my name "Efficiency is Performance". The whole MPG gain is just an unintentional side effect, that I noticed, and kept stabbin at it until it benefited me more in the wallet in the long run. But I am into PERFORMANCE, you still don't know what my car can do on the track with the focused work that I've done to it.

MPG is just on the rage right now because of the fuel cost, so excuuuuse me for showing off my work. :naughty: Hell I bet if I did this 10 years ago, no one could give a monkey's crap if I was doing 50mpg. Everyone would be like "good for you, but why do you need a car that does so much mpg?". But I guess with todays fuel struggles, everyone is "no your wrong, you have to be wrong, you cant get any better than me, you pay what I pay and thats that!".


I guess you can say all of you are just taking the bait, lol nom nom nom nom nom nom
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Did you ride the short bus to school?
 
Discussion starter · #48 ·
WickedSnake00 said:
With your scenario, you're pushing coolant through a radiator that's designed to dump something like 5,000 BTU/min at peak power before it gets back to the inlet. It is going to take a considerable time to get it up to temperature as long as it's dumping that much heat to the environment. So tell me, what are you gaining from it?

And there's a problem with your "I'm the only Mustang making this kind of fuel milage" argument. The principle of science is that experiments are repeatable. If you're right, anyone should be able to get your fuel economy. There's a reason why these quacks that claim 100mpg because of magnets in their fuel lines are the only ones claiming it- because it's crap.
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Ok then please note that if I have underdrive pulleys, all my accessories (including the waterpump) are not operating at the same rate if I had the original crankshaft pulley driving everything. So my waterpump is not pushing a flow as much as it would have, therefore the whole cooling process is reduced, meaning that the engine has a better chance to reach operating temperatures, even having the thermostat deleted and a warm climate around.
 
#50 ·
izzy1111 said:
Tell me where Im wrong and I'll concider it.
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:eek: Have you not been reading what has been being told to you????

the idea that no thermostat improves cooling and adds hp, the fact u claim your mods have net you an incredible amount of mpg, that texas hot climate allows you to remove thermostat safely, (from the other thread) that stock tune is "power saving mode", turbo can improve gas mileage, o2s are heated up quicker by your heat wrapped exhaust manifolds neutralizing effects of no thermostat (that right there is just stupid logic), etc etc etc
 
Discussion starter · #51 ·
Oh and yes by all means, do the mods I have listed. Thats why they're there, I have nothing to hide. And like I said, Efficiency is Performance, most of these mods are well known performance mods, so what if they happen to make you car faster and more efficient. More power to ya, no need to start a debate about how something that is suppost to make your car faster also helps you conserve engine energy if you would just run it normaly.
 
#52 ·
izzy1111 said:
Ok then please note that if I have underdrive pulleys, all my accessories (including the waterpump) are not operating at the same rate if I had the original crankshaft pulley driving everything. So my waterpump is not pushing a flow as much as it would have, therefore the whole cooling process is reduced, meaning that the engine has a better chance to reach operating temperatures, even having the thermostat deleted and a warm climate around.
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UDP's do so very little.

And regarding your idea of a slower coolant flow rate for higher temperature regions, you just shot yourself in the foot. Sure it means lower heat rejection at low speeds with no thermostat, but you also just decreased your limiting ambient temperature. With less flow rate at peak power, you're rejecting less heat, which means you can't operate in as hot a climate as you could otherwise before overheating.

We've told you where you're wrong.

By the way, I found your top secret designs for your car. The secret is magnets!
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#53 ·
WickedSnake00 said:
UDP's do so very little.

And regarding your idea of a slower coolant flow rate for higher temperature regions, you just shot yourself in the foot. Sure it means lower heat rejection at low speeds with no thermostat, but you also just decreased your limiting ambient temperature. With less flow rate at peak power, you're rejecting less heat, which means you can't operate in as hot a climate as you could otherwise before overheating.

We've told you where you're wrong.

By the way, I found your top secret designs for your car. The secret is magnets!
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:lmao Repped
 
#54 ·
WickedSnake00 said:
UDP's do so very little.

And regarding your idea of a slower coolant flow rate for higher temperature regions, you just shot yourself in the foot. Sure it means lower heat rejection at low speeds with no thermostat, but you also just decreased your limiting ambient temperature. With less flow rate at peak power, you're rejecting less heat, which means you can't operate in as hot a climate as you could otherwise before overheating.

We've told you where you're wrong.

By the way, I found your top secret designs for your car. The secret is magnets!
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Seems a little front heavy

Couldn't rep Wicked :sorry So Reaper.....Reps :)
 
Discussion starter · #55 ·
Reaper_88 said:
:eek: Have you not been reading what has been being told to you????

the idea that no thermostat improves cooling and adds hp, the fact u claim your mods have net you an incredible amount of mpg, that texas hot climate allows you to remove thermostat safely, (from the other thread) that stock tune is "power saving mode", turbo can improve gas mileage, o2s are heated up quicker by your heat wrapped exhaust manifolds neutralizing effects of no thermostat (that right there is just stupid logic), etc etc etc
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No thermostat, my personal option that many also here have taken the liberty to practice. Also I do it because of my underdrives, so restricting the slower moving waterpump was taken in mind when removing it.

Texas doesnt allow me to remove it, but it is practiced around here.

Without my mods then yes, I wouldnt have any higher mpg. How do you want me to answer this one? That I magicly enchanted my mustang to get more mileage, no I had to do the work on it.

The Turbo is a future mod, It is designed as a performance mod, excuse me for dreaming about it helping with the pistons.

The stock tune, fine I'm wrong. I'm was just trying to figure out myself why my car gets such a higher mpg by reducing the engine work load.

Heat wraps, insulate the exhaust pipe from the outside, now it may not be designed for it, but I dont completely claim that they help the O2s heat up quicker.

Anything else, did I forget something?
 
#56 ·
izzy1111 said:
No thermostat, my personal option that many also here have taken the liberty to practice. Also I do it because of my underdrives, so restricting the slower moving waterpump was taken in mind when removing it.

Texas doesnt allow me to remove it, but it is practiced around here.

Without my mods then yes, I wouldnt have any higher mpg. How do you want me to answer this one? That I magicly enchanted my mustang to get more mileage, no I had to do the work on it.

The Turbo is a future mod, It is designed as a performance mod, excuse me for dreaming about it helping with the pistons.

The stock tune, fine I'm wrong. I'm was just trying to figure out myself why my car gets such a higher mpg by reducing the engine work load.

Heat wraps, insulate the exhaust pipe from the outside, now it may not be designed for it, but I dont completely claim that they help the O2s heat up quicker.

Anything else, did I forget something?
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So let me get this right, you are going to turbo the car but you don't want to torture it now with driving more than 15 miles for a accurate fuel test. Fail :facepalm:
 
Discussion starter · #58 ·
WickedSnake00 said:
UDP's do so very little.

And regarding your idea of a slower coolant flow rate for higher temperature regions, you just shot yourself in the foot. Sure it means lower heat rejection at low speeds with no thermostat, but you also just decreased your limiting ambient temperature. With less flow rate at peak power, you're rejecting less heat, which means you can't operate in as hot a climate as you could otherwise before overheating.
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Its an inconvenciene towards me yes, but to shoot myself in the foot. Are we fighting about my cars MPG or my own contradictions???

BTW what the hell are we fighting about???????
 
Discussion starter · #60 ·
Macunicorn said:
HAve you tried it in real world scenario like heavy traffic in heat on the freeway or climbing a steep hill etc. See what this will net you in mpg.
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Yeah I'm going to test my car in bumper to bumper traffic, 100 miles going uphill. How is that even normal test environment.
 
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