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Hi there, so I'm on a mission to beat a 495whp camaro but my vortech kit just won't cut it. I'm working on some weight reduction(interior, sound deadning, speakers, trunk stuff, etc) and I think I've gotten to the point where I want to swiss chees a couple of things in the car. Does anyone knows which panels or parts I can work on without affecting the structural strenght of the car? I would be happy with 15-25 pounds off. The car will be driven on the street so I can't go crazy on this. Appreciate all the info ! thanks

p.s. Right now I can't put in a tubular k-member and control arms because I'm in another country and shipping that stuff here would end up costing around $2000, therefore I've got to improvise a bit haha
 
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have you ever thought about just a small shot of NOS to put you over the edge?
 
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You could get rid of ac and save more than 15-20lbs that your looking for. In reality, 15-20lbs isnt gonna do a whole lot. You would get better results relocating the battery to the trunk
 
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07gtS197 said:
Remove the rear seats, radio, exhaust components. Id definately not drill into things to save weight. Also u could do what the civic guys do and lose the hood


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yes seats are out(rear and front), also sound deadning and cats. Don't know about the hood, our aereodynamics are crappy enough the way they are haha I will replace the stock hood with carboon fiber eventually but I just spent 3k on the car and I don't want to get in the 4's.

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Ponyryd said:
Maybe tell us all your info, car, combo, suspension, tires, etc.....and we can help you make the best of what you have.
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Can do ! the one that I'm working on right now is a 2003 GT automatic, convertible. It has exhaust, CAI, 3.55 gears, diablosport tune, and some random things. As weight goes, car has all the audio system out, convertible top system out, seats out, battery is in the trunk, suspension is stock, just got new brakes and rotors, I have 265's in the back and 215's in the front. I'm starting to install the vortech kit, it is a v2 non-intercooled kit with 360 pulley, I only need a fuel pump and Im ready to start on that. Hope that helps, let me know if there is any other info you need.
 
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Your going to need some slicks and be a excellent driver to get in front of that 495whp camaro. Horsepower wise, your not close. With that stock motor and a 3.6 blower pulley, you will not break 400rwhp. Unless you got mad skills behind the wheel and the camaro person can't drive, I don't see it happen.
 
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07gtS197 said:
Remove the rear seats, radio, exhaust components. Id definately not drill into things to save weight. Also u could do what the civic guys do and lose the hood


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Hood won't save much since the hood and deck lid are already composite.

Ditch the seats and as much interior as you can. If you're really desperate, ditch the whole HVAC box. Get rid of the spare and jack.

Rip as much as you can out of the interior. Seats, panels, sound deadening, you name it.

Spray would be good insurance, but tires and suspension will help greatly.
 
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Swiss cheese is something that used to be done to disposible cars. A couple of races and then get another body. Is that really something you want to do?
 
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till the car gets more gear & a propper converter, along with tires & susp., you could take the whole body off & put a saddle on the motor & still not beat the camaro.
 
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Those camaros are ****ing boats though. 426hp at the flywheel and it still only runs a ~13.0 in the quarter stock. If you could make ~400whp (~12 psi intercooled), it would be a very close race, granted that you can drive. It depends on the race too, I bet that camaro will pull a lot harder up top than the mustang. It may require more power with a roll race. Without a built shortblock, you're not going to safely beat this guy I don't think.
 
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WickedSnake00 said:
Hood won't save much since the hood and deck lid are already composite.

Ditch the seats and as much interior as you can. If you're really desperate, ditch the whole HVAC box. Get rid of the spare and jack.

Rip as much as you can out of the interior. Seats, panels, sound deadening, you name it.

Spray would be good insurance, but tires and suspension will help greatly.
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Every pound counts in racing. Besides those hoods are heavy even if they are composite. Id seriously see what the camaros weight to hp ratio is before i started to tear apart my car just to see if i could get close, otherwise slicks and spray are your best alternative


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Dog bone over the pumpkin can come off.

Someone also pasted about a "weight" they found in the fenderwell. I have yet to look for it.


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blown 02 said:
Your going to need some slicks and be a excellent driver to get in front of that 495whp camaro. Horsepower wise, your not close. With that stock motor and a 3.6 blower pulley, you will not break 400rwhp. Unless you got mad skills behind the wheel and the camaro person can't drive, I don't see it happen.
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Yes I know in a bit in a disadvantage haha I raced him once the way we are now, he got me for about 6-7 cars, so I'm thinking the supercharger will leave me somewhat close but still on the loosing side. I'm in the process of getting some slicks, they are hard to come by here in my country, I got a pair of racing slicks 265's but they don't hook for ****, I got beaten by a golf because of it lol I kind of knew those wouldn't work but I wanted to give it a shot to see it they would work at least better than my street tires

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casper gt said:
till the car gets more gear & a propper converter, along with tires & susp., you could take the whole body off & put a saddle on the motor & still not beat the camaro.
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Already raced him once, I was N/A on street tires, he was on a shot with drag slicks. Got me for about 6-7 cars. With the vortech, slicks, and weight reduction I shouldn't be that far off. Now I raced another camaro with the same whp and he murdered me bad, it was horrible haha but I'm trying to beat the other one

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Dog bone over the pumpkin can come off.

Someone also pasted about a "weight" they found in the fenderwell. I have yet to look for it.


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cool didn't know gt's had that thing also, I tried to find it in my cobra and didn't see ****, I guess last owner took it out. I'll look up the fender thing, thanks
 
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methos said:
Yes I know in a bit in a disadvantage haha I raced him once the way we are now, he got me for about 4 cars, so I'm thinking the supercharger will leave me somewhat close but still on the loosing side. I'm in the process of getting some slicks, they are hard to come by here in my country, I got a pair of racing slicks 265's but they don't hook for ****, I got beaten by a golf because of it lol I kind of knew those wouldn't work but I wanted to give it a shot to see it they would work at least better than my street tires

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Already raced him once, I was N/A on street tires, he was on a shot with drag slicks. Got me for about 4-5 cars. With the vortech, slicks, and weight reduction I shouldn't be that far off. Now I raced another camaro with the same whp and he murdered me bad, it was horrible haha but I'm trying to beat the other one

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cool didn't know gt's had that thing also, I tried to find it in my cobra and didn't see ****, I guess last owner took it out. I'll look up the fender thing, thanks
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those comments about the 4 cars change everything, that camaro doesn't have anywhere near 495 if you were that close to him with an n/a new edge car, you might have a chance with the blower.
 
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